Drifting a GSX?

[SlipStream]

I've been researching this topic all day and still want some input. I know AWD isn't the best way to go when you are looking to drift, but I am getting an 95' Eclipse GSX for free so please don't tell me to sell it and get a 240sx or a corrola. I love drifting and everything about it.

I think if you were to get a variable differential you could put more traction to the rear. How much could you do this (like 10/90)? With that along with coilovers, sway bars, strut bars, camber kit, weight reduction(alot) and crappy tires I believe I could drift in this car. I know it won't look as nice as a rwd drift but i'd still have fun. Please if you have any thought or input into this tell me, I need all the help I can get!

[88supramkIII]

i think if u could do it it would be badd ass that would take quite a bit of money though

[Silvia_San]

you should talk to anlet, he is in the process of making his rwd converted legacy wagon reliable. it probably involves the same principles as his. you'll prob need a better rear end so it can take 100% of the power instead of however much it was suppossed to take from the factory.

[SlipStream]

So you think the factory rear end wouldn't be able to handle more than stock setting? Im thinking of putting a rear lsd in it too. Don't you think 10/90 would be good enough?

[Silvia_San]

idk if 10/90 would be good enough, from my experience in forza drifting the gsx (yes i know...) 10/90 still feels like an awd car, it's hard to drift, i think if your gonna go through all the trouble of drifting the gsx you might as well make it fully rwd. and i don't think the stock rear would be able to take much more than the stock tq and hp. idk a lot about dsm's so it is possible that it could but idk.

[SlipStream]

I do think 100% to the rear would be awesome, but I don't have that kind of funds. I think that 10/90 will be the best I could do, if it is even possible. If any dsmers know if you can acheive that, please tell me how.

[fathead]

take out the front axels and plug the holes and youll be rwd (bit more complicated but pretty much the idea in a nutshell).... i know alot of awd dsmers that do this in order to dyno locally since its easier to find a 2wd dyno then it is to find an awd that wont rape you like mastro.. just my .02

[SlipStream]

Will this do anything negatively? I was thinking of doing this but I don't know what to do since I've never drove nor worked on an AWD car.

[hachibill]

dude i think its cool as shit that your getting a GSX, they are actually great cars to make go fast, but WHY IN DEE HELL are you tring to drift it???????????????????
dude just make it run 12's or something. or even better, GO RALLY!!!!!!! thats way more fun than drifting. so stop tring to make a car do something it can't and go make it do something it CAN. drag,street,auto-x,rally. there's your choices, chose one.

[SlipStream]

Wow you must have no trust in me. I know those are my choices, but I want to break the norm. I'm still gonna auto-x, rally, and sometimes drag but I still want to drift. This doesn't mean I am going to get it to drift, I'm just seeing if its an option with a few modifications.

[hachibill]

i had a friend with a 1st gen GSX and he some how ended up with a used tranny that was converted to rear drive only, and he said it was pretty fun to drift. i don't know how long anything really lasted though. go get a 2nd gen rear end and axles and you should be ok, just try not to make to much power and keep the standing burn outs to a min.

you just have to look at it like this, how many turns does the power have to make to get to the wheels? from the crank to the wheels on a RWD it only makes a 90 degree turn once. on a stock FWD it makes a 180 degree turn. and on a AWD it makes 180,90,90 so just beware. the more turns the power has to make the more stress on parts.

[ImportLuv]

just list to bill, he knows. Definitely cars that are set up for FF arent ment to drift. Im not saying they cant, there more things involved. Most definitly beef up the rare diff, drive shaft and axle. Good luck at the awd to rwd conversion.
Rally racing is the sh*t on dirt roads.

[Silvia_San]

gsx's are awd not ff.

[SlipStream]

Thanks for the advice bill. I'm defintely gonna put a rear diff in and maybe a new axel. I'm just gonna test stuff out and when it doesn't work i'll have to go a different route.

[hachibill]

damn, why can't i get a free GSX? wtf. dude if its in good shape and the a/c works, i'm tellin you just drive it as a aily driver. keep it nice and make it fast. then buy a 240 to drift with. serioulsy god for you. very good score. i know alot of people who would kill to have a nice GSX.

[SlipStream]

It's my bros. He just got a job and had to move so he gave me a birthday present. Best one I've ever gotten!

[ImportLuv]

gsx's are awd not ff.
evos, wrx, and gsx, and plenty of other cars engine are set up for Front engine, but drives awd, which is what i said. They just added another drive shaft to transfer to the rear wheel and diff.
Silvia san, look at the engine bay and compare to 240s.
http://smanders.no-ip.com/evo/evo016.jpg
http://www.streetsports.com/Photos/Vehicles/Mitsubishi-Eagle/Eclipse%20GSX%2018G/Eclipse%20Images/Engine_view.jpg
http://srownersclub.com/i/cars4sale/90AT_engine2_m.jpg

[Silvia_San]

i know how the engines laid out, but there still not ff there awd.

[ImportLuv]

im talking about the motor set up

[ImportLuv]

i know how the engines laid out, but there still not ff there awd.
Where did i say that they are FF?

just list to bill, he knows. Definitely cars that are set up for FF arent ment to drift. Im not saying they cant, there more things involved. Most definitly beef up the rare diff, drive shaft and axle. Good luck at the awd to rwd conversion.
Rally racing is the sh*t on dirt roads.

[SlipStream]

So do you guys think it can drift with awd (if i got the variable differential control)?

[ImportLuv]

no problem, but dont expect the rear to swing out like FR cars, and most definitly it will be different, and limited to the # of techniques to drift.

[SlipStream]

Thats all I wanted! Thanks

[_Charles_]

So do you guys think it can drift with awd (if i got the variable differential control)?

Blake Fuller has drifted a Subaru WRX STI, running 10/90 before...so yes it can be done....of course, he slammed into the wall at Homestead, but don't let that stop you.

Charles

[SlipStream]

Well at least I know it can be done now. Thanks for the info Charles.

[AbortRetryFail]

Subaru WRX engines are mounted like RWD.

[ImportLuv]

oh yeah, my mistake, besides the wrx/sti. I remembering seeing the boxer motor set up.

[Silvia_San]

oh wait you were saying all awd cars have ff layout? wow....um no. skyline,wrx, etc. awd with rwd layout.

[ImportLuv]

Evan, if you dont know what im saying, just let it go. I even provided pix of what i mean.

[AbortRetryFail]

oh wait you were saying all awd cars have ff layout? wow....um no. skyline,wrx, etc. awd with rwd layout.

Damn dude don't be such a dick.

[JC]

Not trying to throw this thread offtopic, but what ever happend to that white Integra that was converted to RWD and tried to drift at Drift Showoff in Miami? Had a real hard time I remember.

[ImportLuv]

What kind of set up did it have?
Was it some 240sx with a integ body?

[allh0pelost]

i say you keep it and drift it as an awd. awd drifting is the most beautiful drifting ever seen if you can pull it off ;-)


also, it's probably not a good idea to convert a transversely mounted engine to RWD like importluv said. unless of course, you mount the engine longitudinally :whoa: :nworthy:

[Matt Vassallo]

it had a CRV trnamsission with a welded cneter diff and rear diff, and it had the front axles removed.

blake fuller did it.

www.brailleauto.com

[SlipStream]

Hey why don't you guys take a look at this.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75890&page=1&pp=25

I can understand most of it but you gear heads should make more sense out of it then I did.

[ImportLuv]

My head hurts after reading that link

[SlipStream]

Ya its a very long thread but it has givin me some very helpful hints to getting started.

[mranlet]

IMHO:

RWD and AWD drifting are very very different styles. RWD can sustain drifts at (comparatively) low speeds, doesn't scrub off much speed, can be done in a low-power car, and is very forgiving. AWD drift takes extreme bravery because of the mega-high entry speeds, a good bit of driver skill or very good knowledge of your car, substantial horsepower, strong drivetrain, lots of room to practice, and constant battling against understeer. However, AWD drifting will allow you to have a mega high horsepower car that still is managable in the rain, can be drag raced or rallied, and can achieve negative angle (beyond 90 degrees from the direction of travel). You won't be able to do the same kind of drifting that RWD cars do in an AWD car, and vice versa.

While RWD drifting is a sort of "look at all this tire smoke and countersteer!" style of drifting, AWD is more of the "HOLY SHIT, I'm looking out of the rear window to see where I'm going with no countersteer!" style. Now, if you want to do tandem and participate in track events (such as Ddays, driver's searches, etc) then you will really need to convert to RWD if you want to use this car. If you want to do solo runs with insane angle and keep the car for other things, keep the AWD.

I'd suggest to keep the AWD, build up the drivetrain and engine, and get some better sway bars and coilovers. The GSX has such potential for inexpensive power (which is a big attribute in AWD drifting, because you are having to make enough torque to keep loose on 4 tires rather than 2), that it is a pretty good platform for an AWD drift car.

If you do choose to do a RWD conversion, you will most likely have to fuse the center differential into a solid rod that transfers torque to the rear without slip and remove the front axles without making big holes in your transmission and leaking all the grease out of your wheel bearings. If you just remove the front avles, you will be putting a lot of stress on the center differential (like trying to make the right wheel turn by turning the left wheel in a car with a VLSD). In my Subaru, I had the center diff welded by John at Dave White Racing, who did a hell of a job, and I busted off the stubs of my front axles and kept them in to keep my bearing grease in. However, my rear differential was never prepared for 100% of the torque (since my Viscous center diff only transmits 50% of the power max) and sheared off every single tooth on the spider gears after only 3 days. While I am trying to figure out how to upgrade to am STi, MK III Supra, R200, or Ford 9" rear end, you may not have to deal with this problem - check the "born on" date of your GSX - if it rolled off the assembly line between Nov. of 91 and April of 92 then you're in business: This date span came with the legendary 6/4bolt combo (6-bolt engine and hardcore 4-bolt rear end). The 4-bolt rear end is the basis for the 600+ hp DSM drag cars, and would most likely handle 300hp without much difficulty. I'm not an expert in DSM, but I would imagine that there are various LSDs available for that rear end as well, but I would doubt the existence of variable center differentials. I also believe that most AWD DSMs transmit up to 50% rear with a 95 or 100% front bias in initial split, but am not sure...

Cliffnotes: Yes you can drift the AWD, it's a tricky thing and different from RWD.

[ImportLuv]

+2 great info, you took alot of time typing that up...i love negative angle drifts in those rally cars on hairpin turns. "how the fu*k did he do that?" :whoa:

He's a tip, use your LimeWire program or whatever you use to download your porn vids/illegal music downloads, and search for awd/evo/wrx drifting. Just watch how those drivers hit and exit those turns, and you can get a general idea of what goes on in awd drifting.

[FreeThinker]

One glaring question that no one has asked is: where are you planning to get this adjustable variable differential? As far as I know no one sells them to just bolt into an AWD car. And as far as I remember from the drivetrain setup on a DSM, there is no center differential, it is simply a viscous coupling to the rear axle that engages with slip. Basically the same as most honda AWD setups and the older Porsche system. What this means is you can never have more than 50% of the power sent to the rear.

The provisions for a hollow shaft feeding the differential and then a shaft running back through that feeding the front differential, plus a hollow shaft going the other way to feed the rear with a 90deg turn to the rear axle..... it's just not there.

Your best option is to make it RWD if you really want to go drifting in this car. I have seen the machined piece the DSM guys use to dyno the car in 2wd, but it makes the car FWD, not RWD. I recommend you find another transmission and take it apart. Have someone help if necessary. Find the viscous coupling and remove all fluid fron it then weld it all together. Now you have a permanent solid 50/50 drive ratio that is guaranteed to break something when you try to turn (front wheel speed is diffferent from rear wheel speed). Now you just have to remove the front halfshafts and plug the holes somehow and make sure the front wheel bearings are sealed still.

The final matter to take care of is that DSM's get horrible steering angle. They can barely make a u-turn on a 4 lane road. But this is fairly normal for AWD/FWD cars because of the front halfshafts. Now you can grind the steering stops until you start hitting something else or the rack runs out of travel. If you still want more, shorten your steering arms.

If your're not comfortable attemting any of this on your own, call someone like www.ter-tech.com they are certainly capable of fabrication on that level.

Braille is good too, but I dont know if Blake does customer cars. Havent heard from him in a while actually.

-Sean

[mranlet]

The center differential is probably integrated into the transmission, not a seperate unit. It sounds like you're thinking of a transfer case like on Jeeps and other 4WDs. The computerized center differentials that he is talking about are very complex and somehow DO manage to send more torque to the rear axle (90%+ in some STi versions).

In AWD drift, you don't need much steering angle. Also, IIRC the DSMs have a long wheelbase, which is what ruins the turning circle. Turning circle and steering angle are related, but poor turnging cicrle does not necessarily mean poor steering angle.

Power transfer of a ring and pinion (90 degree turn) is very close to being just as good as a longitudinal transfer, such as helical cut transmission gears. I wouldn't worry too much about sending power on angles.

[_Charles_]

The center differential is probably integrated into the transmission, not a seperate unit. It sounds like you're thinking of a transfer case like on Jeeps and other 4WDs. The computerized center differentials that he is talking about are very complex and somehow DO manage to send more torque to the rear axle (90%+ in some STi versions).

In AWD drift, you don't need much steering angle. Also, IIRC the DSMs have a long wheelbase, which is what ruins the turning circle. Turning circle and steering angle are related, but poor turnging cicrle does not necessarily mean poor steering angle.

Power transfer of a ring and pinion (90 degree turn) is very close to being just as good as a longitudinal transfer, such as helical cut transmission gears. I wouldn't worry too much about sending power on angles.

in engrish please? did you say something about a doohicky and whatchamgidgit?

[FreeThinker]

Okay, I just did a lil research into it and DSM's actually do have a center differential, just with an added viscous coupling to give the LSD effect. Now if someone actually made the electronic adjustable differential to fit in there....

For the sake of simplicity, not breaking stuff all the time, and not needing 500hp you should just go RWD. And for the steering angle thing, the 2G Eclipse has a 99 inch wheelbase so it should turn on a dime if it had decent steering angle. I seriously remember having trouble turning into a parking spot driving my friends Talon. I'm sure it was because I was used to my über steering angle 535i.... c'mon.


Yea, so go RWD, trash those pesky front halfshafts, grind steering stops, and get a 4bolt rear LSD from a 1G and you've got the world's first RWD 2G DSM drift car!!!!

The majority of the mods involved are labor, not anything out of pocket unless you can't do the work.

In which case check out: http://www.teamrip.com/awd.html

Those guys are also the cure to all DSM tranny woes.

-Sean

[_Charles_]

I personally would love to see it done. If you search, I inquired about AWD drifitng in the past. Before I got the 240, I toyed with the idea of a 1st gen Eclipse/Talon converted to RWD for drifting. I used to own a 91 TSI AWD, and loved it. Would be fun to drift it (and different). Do it...if it works, maybe I'll try a 1st gen.

Charles

[mranlet]

in engrish please? did you say something about a doohicky and whatchamgidgit?

You know what I'm talking about. The only abbreviation that I used that a lot of people miss is "IIRC" = If I Recall Correctly.

Here is the way I see it:
AWD Drift:
+Pimpest shit evar!
+No need to modify rack or other steering components
+Allows for good poor weather tractability
+Very unique
+Little/no drivetrain modification needed
-Requires power
-Requires a lot of practice
-No tandem
-Few drivers to exchange ideas with

RWD Convert:
+Inexpensive to do (as long as nothing breaks)
+Does not require much (if any) additional power
+Tandem
+Can learn from other drivers
+Huge "cool" factor
+Easier on practice spaces
-Unreliable (for a street driven car)
-Expensive (a major modification, can get pricey if you break stuff, which you will, speaking from experience)
-Not so good poor weather traction

It can definitely be done (Dahalback Racing, Australian guy with his Galant VR4, Various Imprezas, Rally cars, etc), but your choice of conversion or no conversion ought to be well planned. Weigh the pros and cons of each to make the decission that will get you closer to what you want out of the car.

[R6Mitsu]

Wasnt there a Sport Compact Mag issue in like Nov. of 04 that tells how to convert AWD to just RWD. I think it was done on a WRX from Oahu.

[_Charles_]

Here is something I emailed to TEAM RIP:

I was curious as to the recommended setup for converting a 1st generation AWD T/E/L to RWD. This is not for Drag, but rather for Drifting, and the drivetrain has to be able to take a lot of abuse. What would you recommend be done to accomplish this?

And here was their response:

Either a spool or welded center diff.

The spool will allow you to convert it back if you don’t want to run the car RWD or AWD locked. The cost is $235 + $9.50 S&H = $244.50

You will need to either put dummy axles into the trans and wheel hubs or just remove the ring gear on the front diff.

Thanks,
Jon@TRE
www.teamrip.com

[Failure]

Okay guys.. Lets not get away from the truth.. ITS TURBO AWD. Now then Get bigger injectors 550s will work Get a bigger turbo Big 16g Will work get tubular mani and a fmic safc and a boost controller.. turn the boost up to about 16 pounds get it tuned and just clutch drop into turns.. im pretty sure you will drift LOL

[_Charles_]

Okay guys.. Lets not get away from the truth.. ITS TURBO AWD. Now then Get bigger injectors 550s will work Get a bigger turbo Big 16g Will work get tubular mani and a fmic safc and a boost controller.. turn the boost up to about 16 pounds get it tuned and just clutch drop into turns.. im pretty sure you will drift LOL

Welcome to the drift forums, now go learn what drifitng is, and come back when you figure it out.

[Mars_302]

With as much shit as I hear and read about DSMs, yopu really wanna drift a car that is affectionally know as Despertely Seeking Mechanic?


even if you were upto it, id honestly start out with a cheap 240 or miata, something a little more easy and controllable and wont require some high entry speeds

[_Charles_]

With as much shit as I hear and read about DSMs, yopu really wanna drift a car that is affectionally know as Despertely Seeking Mechanic?


even if you were upto it, id honestly start out with a cheap 240 or miata, something a little more easy and controllable and wont require some high entry speeds

:roll: okay MR MUSTANG, will do.

Be different, do it.

Charles

[paul kersey]

blah blah
all bad ideas.

[Mars_302]

:roll: okay MR MUSTANG, will do.

Be different, do it.

Charles


im not saying he shouldnt with that car, just not with that car now....

[R6Mitsu]

I say go for it. Id personally like to see it done.

[hachibill]

im not saying he shouldnt with that car, just not with that car now....


yeah well you drive a ford which is the american version of the DSM.
FORD= fix or repair daily. hhahahahahahahah

everyone needs to buy a 240 and just be done with it. seriously, why is everyone tring to be different. remember when everyone tried to be different when honda's were cool. so instead they ran around in cavaliers,saturn's and escorts. and everone laughed at them for being ghey. yeah, well its kinda the same thing. not tring to be a dick, just different isn't always the right way.

[_Charles_]

yeah well you drive a ford which is the american version of the DSM.
FORD= fix or repair daily. hhahahahahahahah

everyone needs to buy a 240 and just be done with it. seriously, why is everyone tring to be different. remember when everyone tried to be different when honda's were cool. so instead they ran around in cavaliers,saturn's and escorts. and everone laughed at them for being ghey. yeah, well its kinda the same thing. not tring to be a dick, just different isn't always the right way.

And I own a 240, and desire to get something different to drift, but can't currently afford too.

Did you notice how alot of FD cars are NOT 240's? Did you know at SFS3 in Atlanta, they had a very nice mixture, including BMW's, Miata's, Mustangs, and even a dodge pickup?

240's is obviously a florida thing....37 out of 40 @ DDAY7 will be 240's.

[Silvia_San]

seriosly i know 240's are a great platform and everything but seeing almost 99% of the cars at dday are 240's it gets boring. now this crazy screaming chicken coupe and toyola or w/e i'm hearing about sound like exactly what florida needs. crazy cars that serve no purpose other than being driven to the limit and scaring small children.

[Funk]

if you go to japan, everybody drives fucking silvias and 180sx's.

its because they are damn cool cars.
stop trying to be fucking different.
learn to drive with a different style.
grow weird hair.


having a car nobody else has wont make you any cooler.

[_Charles_]

having a car nobody else has wont make you any cooler.

and neither will going to Japan and end up 'missing'....but we don't hold that against you, now do we?

[paul kersey]

what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

i think the reason you see so many 240's here, is because when you look at it, there isnt really any dedicated track cars.
i would guess that 90% of the cars at dday are going to be peoples daily drivers.
and for a car that can have a great balance of daily driver/racecar, you cant do much better.

[LongFellow]

what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

i think the reason you see so many 240's here, is because when you look at it, there isnt really any dedicated track cars.
i would guess that 90% of the cars at dday are going to be peoples daily drivers.
and for a car that can have a great balance of daily driver/racecar, you cant do much better.


Very well said.. and i agree with Mars 302 learn with a 240 and then when you get the hang of it do it with something more challenging, such as your DSM idea.

[mranlet]

Very well said.. and i agree with Mars 302 learn with a 240 and then when you get the hang of it do it with something more challenging, such as your DSM idea.

If the goal here was to be different, all you would have to do is get an FC or AE86 or Mk III Supra. I think what most of you are missing is that there is a difference between trying to be different and taking advantage to what you already have: getting a car for free and wanting to have a blast with it isn't a cry for attention IMO. I converted my car because I really like the car, it has great potential, and I don't like most 240s not because I wanted to stand out or just be different.

If you're going to go with the "training" route, why not go with something like a Corolla or FC that will really take some significant driving ability to drift? I'm sure Bill will agree with the notion that Corollas are very good at developing driving ability.

Of course, if you manage to drift the undriftable, imagine how much you would kick ass when put in a 240...

[hachibill]

^ it defitely takes a sertain kind of person to drive a corolla to its limits. me and my corolla do the strangest shit when we're together. and it seems like anythig is possible while behind the wheel even being slow and underpowered. hell the car acts like it enjoys being the underdog just so it can show yo what its really made of. i have no idea whats going to happen if i ever get a corolla with power. i have friends in sr 240's that can't keep up with me in traffic when i'm in my corolla. once it gets in under your skin its there for life.

[Silvia_San]

bill you should be a wheelman lol. fuck the transporter with his new audi, a corolla runnin from the cops through tight european roads that would be badass.

[Pineapple]

FC is fun.

[hachibill]

bill you should be a wheelman lol. fuck the transporter with his new audi, a corolla runnin from the cops through tight european roads that would be badass.



HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH dude that would be soooo much fun its just not right. and i should be a wheel man, or a stunt driver! tell hollywood whats up.

[Tallgeese0721]

before i sold my gsx, i tried "drifting" it in the rain during the hurricanes last year... it wasn't really drifting, it was more like powersliding, but... trust me... you'll end up with a broken control arm because of the understeer, which eventually happened to me (everyone knows that the DSM is a straight line car)... you COULD probably take off the driveshaft from the transfer going to the front wheels (maybe, not sure)... that's what Jun did to the yuke's impreza that nobushige kumakubo drives in D1... but bro, that takes lots of money. that's why i sold the GSX... even with all the money i'm making at war, it wouldn't justify all the work getting done to it...

i was kind of into drifting before i got deployed, but now that its all big. everyone and their grandma want to go out and slide. i mean, that's cool, i guess. but being japanese, i have some kind of pride in it (but just like everything else in our culture, its been raped and taken from us) i've decided to stick to auto cross. i'm lookin forward to having my 180sx getting finished when i get back and getting my SCCA license

as for hachibill, i totally agree with him. i don't know if any of you know about the mitsubishi "precis", but it was a hatchback-like car. its funny, cuz like initial d, my dad was friggin master with this car. he taught me how to drive when i was 11 in it, and even though it was underpowered, much like the hachiroku, it was nimble and very agile... (FF tho). But like what bill said, an underpowered, underdog kind of car produces a good driver, one that knows how to manipulate a car to do what is sometimes not very possible to do. maybe that's why i tried to drift my own gsx. but when it understeered on me, i broke the front right control arm.. i realised that i can't be consistent with this kind of car (it could only slide in rain)

as for being different, someone said earlier that everyone in japan drives silvias and 180sx's and skylines... which is true they're pretty much the corvettes and mustangs of japan. like you and me, they're not rich, that's why the silvia platform is so popular. as for me, i decided to go with the 180sx because of what's available for it and i firmly believe that i can get good times on the track with something as light, agile, and powerful as the 180sx.

sorry for the essay. i've been stuck here in afghanistan and i no one really talks cars here. all i work on is trucks, so... and you all probably know what i'm talking about anyway... but, just my 10 cents

nonetheless, best of luck on your decisions. ganbatte

[mranlet]

you COULD probably take off the driveshaft from the transfer going to the front wheels (maybe, not sure)... that's what Jun did to the yuke's impreza that nobushige kumakubo drives in D1...

Yukes accually used a Tremec RWD transmission for that car, but RWD conversion can be done by fusing the center diff and removing either the pinion gear or pulling the front axles.

My brother came back from the desert last week - he says it's insanely hot there. Good luck and stay cool.

[boosted_seo]

Back in my old DSM days, I met a guy who dropped a Turbo II in his 96 DSM. From what i remember him saying, the whole drive line basically bolted up to the TSi. IDK for sure, but that bitch was fast!!!!!