havin trouble drifting

[Superkaioken]

i come to a corner this is on a closed road and i hit the apex and pull ebrake to break tires free i start to immediately clucth kick for sum reason i hit it perfectly but i start sliding and spin all the time i even tried reading stuf on the net and it dont help how do i counter steer this so i dont oversteer? and im tring to be serious about this.

[agent93]

oh dear god, i thought this would happen. just go away. be one of the only people wit ha 240 that doesnt drift, that'd be cool.

[Hoonta]

I still suck, so the blind can only lead the blind so far..
but are you hitting the brakes?
Hitting them too hard can slow the front of your car too fast almost always guaranteeing a spin.

[Silvia_San]

i come to a corner this is on a closed road and i hit the apex and pull ebrake to break tires free i start to immediately clucth kick for sum reason i hit it perfectly but i start sliding and spin all the time i even tried reading stuf on the net and it dont help how do i counter steer this so i dont oversteer? and im tring to be serious about this.
please end yourself...

[asia989]

:ibtl:

[DEATH ZEPPELIN]

Hicas has something to do with that aswell.

[paul kersey]

ugh.
and it begins.

[Superkaioken]

I still suck, so the blind can only lead the blind so far..
but are you hitting the brakes?
Hitting them too hard can slow the front of your car too fast almost always guaranteeing a spin.


yeah i uses both emergency and pedal brakes is that bad.

[Superkaioken]

hell i get it going and hear the tires screachin but seem to alway spin......

[box240mod]

how is everyone going to hate on this guy? he is asking for help, and is just getting into the sport. yes, you could say its bandwagon now but guess what, WE ALL ARE.... japan was the birth place... not United States and definitely NOT FLORIDA.

that said...

if you are simply revving the engine out and popping the clutch to 'keep the slide' you could be doint many things wrong
1) too much rev in teh clutch kick
2) too much throttle after gear is re-engaged from kick
3) too much wheel turn in to the turn
4) maybe even too much ebrake (too long)
5) if you jabthe foot brake, or use it heavily, it will induce more slide angle (overseet/spin) [it is a more advanced drift to work and is used for higher speed and declining radius (turns that get sharper as you go)]

also, if you are pulling the ebrake at the apex, you are starting way to late... you want to start your slide where you would normally turn in, and eventually even before that point.

to help yourself improve try practicing in the rain without the use of the ebrake, just give a slight clutch kick and ease the gas pedal up/down to adjust angle. you want to turn normal into it (normal amount of steering)
and once you use the clutch kick, you should get the car set in the slide, (with countersteer staying still) and use the throttle (some slight steering) to turn the car and pull it out of the drift.

tahts a basic starting point, once you get really good in the wet, try that dry with the ebrake or wahtnot. just keep at it, takes more than a week or 2.

yes, thew hicas is also a problem.. that system was designed for higher grip turns... so u need to get rid of it for the best results

[Durdan]

boxmod, look up his threads in GCC, and youll find the source of their animosity

[Superkaioken]

boxmod, look up his threads in GCC, and youll find the source of their animosity



now you guys just hate me cause i like to ask questions.

[box240mod]

whatever the reason, just practice and be a hands-on learner.... if you can't feel the car... dont try to drift. spend more time learning the cars limits before you push it to drift

[Durdan]

how about learning at sanctioned drift clinics where there are others there to help you out. not on the street where inexperience can cost a life?!

[Superkaioken]

how about learning at sanctioned drift clinics where there are others there to help you out. not on the street where inexperience can cost a life?!


where are these places at?

[Hoonta]

there is one coming up in Ocala on sept 3.
Though prereg ends on aug 3.
there was a thread on here about it, but it got deleted.
Go to dgtrials.com or floridadrift.com.
I highly recommend doing an event, even if you suck, it is worth the $$

[Durdan]

autocrosses is where i started and theyres TONS of them. check the auto-x forum. learn your car first. THEN try to drift it.

[ZenkiS14_Drifter]

autocrosses is where i started and theyres TONS of them. check the auto-x forum. learn your car first. THEN try to drift it.


excellent, i thought i was crazy for taking this route....i tell people that im goin to auto-x first and they immediatly flame and shit.

[teddy]

who cares what this guy is asking

that fucking signature is the funniest thing i've seen all week

hahahhhaa

so true

thanks for making my day

[EludeR]

I think i maybe the only guy with a s13 (or 240sx for that matter), that does not want to build a drift car , or go drifting .

[Durdan]

I think i maybe the only guy with a s13 (or 240sx for that matter), that does not want to build a drift car , or go drifting .

WOW! youre in the wrong forum! haha

[EludeR]

WOW! youre in the wrong forum! haha Yeah i know, i just get a kick out of reading some of the stupid posts i see in this forum, and see if their is anything here that's posted up for sale that i'd like to pick it up , things of that like. Their is from time to time generally some good info so it's not all bad, but most of the time it's just drift slurs/slang i don't know ,boastful threads , and pass/fail posts. :lol:

[ph0tek]

Eluder, I am interested in drift, but do not wanna start out drifting, I wanna start by bettering my driving skills with auto-x.. 240's dont HAVE to be sideways to be cool =) Although I will most likely move into drifting, I enjoy these forums as a base knwoledge for 240 owners, problems and solutions, used parts sales.. etc.

That being said, i really dont think that reading text will help your drift in one bit, tidbits of info if you take them for what their worth might help you get a idea, but seat time ( Within a safe enviornment) is the only thing that will help you drift...

Good luck sliding.

[EludeR]

Eluder, I am interested in drift, but do not wanna start out drifting, I wanna start by bettering my driving skills with auto-x.. 240's dont HAVE to be sideways to be cool =) Although I will most likely move into drifting, I enjoy these forums as a base knwoledge for 240 owners, problems and solutions, used parts sales.. etc.

That being said, i really dont think that reading text will help your drift in one bit, tidbits of info if you take them for what their worth might help you get a idea, but seat time ( Within a safe enviornment) is the only thing that will help you drift...

Good luck sliding. Yeah , i'am not bashing drifting or anything , just not sure it's something i'd want to get into, i definetely agree with you about advancing your skills before starting to drift. Many people have several thousands invested in their cars , it would not be cool to see a badass car wrapped around a pole, or in a ditch , or smashed into a tree (you get the idea). But i just think that's it's lame that everybody with a 240sx think's they are some kind of super 1337 drifting god, and some n00b's would just be better off with their honda's then their 240's i've seen too many wrecked/totaled 240's to justify their cause. As for me , i'am going to be putting together a all around sports car, i really do not plan on drifting my car, i already have way too much invested in it as it is.

[hachibill]

who cares what this guy is asking

that fucking signature is the funniest thing i've seen all week

hahahhhaa

so true

thanks for making my day


YEH, serioulsy his sig is the best ever!!!! hahahahaah that has to be the funiest shit of all time.

[dudocius240sx]

Man He has a lot of time on his hands, that sig took him a while. lol

[REY]

i come to a corner this is on a closed road and i hit the apex and pull ebrake to break tires free i start to immediately clucth kick for sum reason i hit it perfectly but i start sliding and spin all the time i even tried reading stuf on the net and it dont help how do i counter steer this so i dont oversteer? and im tring to be serious about this.


drift around trees and poles - !!! :dunno:

[OniS14]

get HICAS eliminator kit..

then get to know yur car better..
i wont drift until i feel the car completely..[please ignore my avatar]
my cuz totalled his kouki 1 week after getting it..he didnt know the cars limits..
and this was before drifting was kool..

[OniS14]

if that is his sig..how come it says Zephyr on it?
i am assuming its some else's sig that he put up there
=\

[ImportLuv]

Talk about yourself, dont talk about your cousin. You hit a freakin pole when it was wet in your own neighborhood when you had the car for like what, a few weeks?? :lol: Your windshield was cracked, hood was fu*ked up, broken wiper motor. HAHAHA and doing what..8mph? You tailwhipped it, then i guess you kept your foot on the gas, so it spun a complete 360 degree, then you hit the light pole...oh man, i wish you could catch it on camera. And you had absolutly no clue that it was comming

Yes his sigature is funny, but i doubt that its his

[ImportLuv]

Dont do stupid things like Onis14 did when he first got his car. He had no clue that the back end was going to give. He didnt know its potential until he saw a big ass crack on his windshield.

Know the 240sx limits, which takes a while of driving, cant be found out overnight too easily. For drifting, beginners must ALWAYS learn how to control the car while the back end have very little traction 1st, which is where the wet roads come into play. Drifting in the rain is all about control of the steering wheel. Clutch kicking and weigh shifting will help, but its not always needed in the rain. Just a slight gas, then the back end will give. After that, adjust the amount of acceleration to keep the tires from gripping the surface during the slide. After that, try using the Ebrake, dont brake drift yet, thats after it. After you get really good at sliding around corners of orange cones, or building, then try drifting on dirt roads. then step up to dry roads with cheap hard tires that you can find at the junkyards.

Drifting can be done in different stages. Some people have started out on dry roads. Theres no rule to how you should learn it because youre suppose to figure it out on your own, but this is my tip as i said from above. Mud slinging and ice drifting, whatever its called, is a good way to start to drift. Team 15 started to learn how to drift this way for the most part. Make sure you learn how to do it in a group, or have a friend watch you from the outside to tell you what your doing wrong or right.

I shouldnt post this info w/o Team15's permission, but i know they dont mind because i know they dont want to see another 240 down in the junkyard for stupid drivers who try to drift for the 1st time.

Kid...dont try too hard, drifting isnt as easy as it sound, it takes time and plenty of practice.

[OniS14]

dude..i was goin like 40 on a hairpin..while it was raining..and i was retarded at the time..
rofl
Tip: its good to know the car BEFORE u do stupid ass shyt

[mranlet]

240's dont HAVE to be sideways to be cool

Funny, with a few exceptions, I don't think the 240 is really cool at all :dunno:

How are your tires? Tires that are too far gone (missing chunks, etc) will not hold up to the lateral forces and just give up under any kind of sideways action.

[Silvia_San]

Funny, with a few exceptions, I don't think the 240 is really cool at all :dunno:

exactly how i feel they feel cheap idk how to explain it, they just don't feel right. but anyway,superkaiokan or w/e if you have hicas get hics eliminator bar, learn how to drive, stop watching initial d, don't be a ricer etc.

[mranlet]

exactly how i feel they feel cheap idk how to explain it, they just don't feel right.

What's the "Silvia" in your name for then?

It's a legitmate question for someone who is starting out, but ont one that can be answered in a post. As for the moron/ricer stuff - that sounds like a personal problem...

[Silvia_San]

i made the name when i liked them, like 3 years ago, since then, i have driven other cars that felt better and more solid, idk, i just don't really like how 240's feel anymore, when i liked them, i hadn't had anything to compare them to except a ford tempo and ford explorer. the ricer thing is referring to all his other posts, which suck. btw i want to change my sn, i'm just to lazy to pm an admin to change it lol.

[box240mod]

not to be a jerk but your join date reads only a year back.... so whats the REAL story behind the silvia name? hahahah

on topic tho, you should learn to rev match without looking at the revs, how to heel-toe, or as i do, side-side (i use the sides of my foot). know what speed each gear tops out at. and know how to take a racing line with good speed/no understeer.

autox is a great idea for this and i too, started there... somewhat

[teddy]

and then you really want to make love to your car

drive up to the grocery store and back w/o using the clutch

[Silvia_San]

not to be a jerk but your join date reads only a year back.... so whats the REAL story behind the silvia name? hahahah

on topic tho, you should learn to rev match without looking at the revs, how to heel-toe, or as i do, side-side (i use the sides of my foot). know what speed each gear tops out at. and know how to take a racing line with good speed/no understeer.

autox is a great idea for this and i too, started there... somewhat

maybe it wasn't 3 years ago, thats when i got into drifting atleast, i could've sworn i was on here longer...oh well. but i still feel that after driving other cars my views have changed of 240sx's.

[Jonas]

[QUOTE=OniS14]get HICAS eliminator kit..

then get to know yur car better..
QUOTE]

there is nothign wrong with drifting hicas for christ sakes... how many times are we going to go over this...

lots of the assholes here flaming this guy i never see at the events anyway so who are you to speak...

number one i wouldn't recommend practicing on the street... go to the legal events like taylor and a few others mentioned... there you can get ride alongs with experienced drivers...

i wonder what poeples responses would have been if he didn;t mention the locatoin of his "practicing"

when you clutched kicked liek you mentioned it was probably not timed correctly... and probably too much gas... there are a number of things... it's coordination... read the things that boxmod posted...

[paul kersey]

as charles said.
im buying stock in verizon
i see an increase in telephone pole sales.

[ImportLuv]

maybe it wasn't 3 years ago, thats when i got into drifting atleast, i could've sworn i was on here longer...oh well. but i still feel that after driving other cars my views have changed of 240sx's.
Have you had enough experiance driving 240s? I know you driven the S13 a few times, but the S14 handling is so much better. Ive driven your Supra a couple of times, and compare it to my S14, ill keep my car any given day. Supras are much heavier, thus have a heavy, solid feeling.
Of course theres other cars that handle better than 240s, but most of them are beyond the price of 240s.

[Silvia_San]

sandy you've never driven my supra. and i was referring mostly to s13's, i like how s14's feel and drive, but from driving vang's corolla comparing that to driving the s13's it felt a lot better, idk, maybe it was because all the s13's i drove were beaters, but the corolla was a beater too.

[ImportLuv]

WHAT??? you said that i have never driven it? omg. dude, i drove that thing from blockbuster on that saturday night on 34th street to vangs house to pick up a video.
If you are referring it to S13, then say it, 240 refers to s13 and s14, dont it?
All of charlies/vangs are pos, they are never like really clean...zip tie everything.

[agent93]

my s13 drives better than my mom's impala ss. it feels tighter, and responds better. and its stock. maybe the beater thing is a factor though, i dont get it.

[Silvia_San]

it prob was because they were beat, one was manual and was tweaked as hell, one was auto and crappy, one was auto and the head gasket was almost blown, one was auto and i don't think the rear tires were balanced. i do love the steering angle lol. someone let me drive there non beater 240, lol.

[teddy]

drive an s13 with correctly dialed in suspension and alignment with good tires

you will fall in love

[ImportLuv]

We can only hope for you that someone would. Dont you even bother asking me because the answer will always be no. Theres very few s13 that is hooked up and isnt beat up, so many drift scares on s13

[Silvia_San]

i don't want to drive your car, it's an s14 anyway. i'll just wait till vangs is done.

[ImportLuv]

hes setting that car up for it to hit the tracks only, i have very little doubt that it would be a clean job. His work is always messy. Its going to be no different than his maroon s13. Basically its another one of his beater car. So good luck finding a clean one.

[Silvia_San]

tracks only? um...no.

[ImportLuv]

If not all for tracks, then he will never take long trips on it. The trip to the local supermarket will be a dick in the ass. Its hard as a rock.

[Pineapple]

my s13 drives better than my mom's impala ss. it feels tighter, and responds better. and its stock. maybe the beater thing is a factor though, i dont get it.
240s feel extremely solid when all of the bushings aren't worn out.

and what teddy said.

[ImportLuv]

I think SilviaSan is saying that there are few cars out there that is just as old as the S13, such as the FC, handles better than S13s with the same set ups. But thats his personal opinion/experience with S13. A few of us disagree with him, including me.

I think Evan was thinking of me when he came up with SilviaSan. How thoughtful Evan...awww.

[SilentBob86]

I think Evan was thinking of me when he came up with SilviaSan. How thoughtful Evan...awww.
Evan.....thoughtful....PPPSSSHHHHHHH....riiiiiiiii igggghhhhtttt...LOL!

[Chin]

not to be a jerk but your join date reads only a year back.... so whats the REAL story behind the silvia name? hahahah

on topic tho, you should learn to rev match without looking at the revs, how to heel-toe, or as i do, side-side (i use the sides of my foot). know what speed each gear tops out at. and know how to take a racing line with good speed/no understeer.

autox is a great idea for this and i too, started there... somewhat



YESSSSSSSSSS Sunriders for life!

[ImportLuv]

yeah i uses both emergency and pedal brakes is that bad.
Wont this cause the car to understeer? Pushing the brake pedal applies to ALL 4 wheels! Whats the need to pull on the Ebrake for?
Tip: NEVER EVER pull the ebrake while the foot is on the acclerator! It will cause the rear axle to disassemble from the car COMPLETLY! Theres a clip on streetfighter.com of a mustang on a drag strip, the guy pulled on the ebrake and it fell off the car.

Superkaioken, this is your own tread, why the quietness? Are you abandoning it?

[sidehappyside]

messy mesyyy stfu little boym ohss yeah this is david son, evan ill let you drive mine! with coilovers and the cool buddy club p1 racing wheels, yeessssssss


this is not vang you goo bags

[ImportLuv]

:squint:

[Silvia_San]

:mars:

[sidehappyside]

:squint:


:nworthy: all praise ala

[SilentBob86]

Wtf M8!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[DubtecV2]

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 SUPER DORIFTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Go jack off a horse and die superfag.

[DETriment]

did you seriously just ask how to drift on an internet forum?! HAHAHAHAHAHHA :lol: :lol:

[ImportLuv]

He ditched his own tread, he wont reply back.
Let's hope he doesnt ask how to weld.

[lilaznvietboi]

:ibtl:

What the next thing he going to ask? Is a weld diff good mod? :lol:

[Jonas]

i will see you at dday 7... just say yes...

[AbortRetryFail]

please end yourself...
:lol: you should talk!?

[Silvia_San]

pole crasher :haha: