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HerHotRod
06-30-2005, 05:06 PM
I don't know how old this is :dunno:, but I found this today.
I'ts easier to read if you go to the link.

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/4067/50fastest.htm

50 Fastest Production Cars - American Muscle

# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10 450 six-speed 3.07 MM 8/97
2 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 four-speed 3.54 CC 11/65
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette 12.80@113.8 350 LT5 375 six-speed 3.45 MT 4/90
4 1966 L72 Corvette 12.80@112 427 L72 425 four-speed 3.36 CD 11/65
5 1969 Roadrunner 12.91@111.8 440 Six Pack 390 four-speed 4.10 SS 6/69
6 1997 Hurst/Firebird 12.99@103.11 350 350 automatic 3.42 MCR 4/5 97
7 1970 Hemi Cuda 13.10@107.12 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 3.54 CC 11/69
8 1992 Viper RT/10 13.10@108 488 V10 400 six-speed 3.07 CD 7/92
9 1970 Chevelle SS454 13.12@107.01 454 LS6 450 four-speed 3.55 CC 11/69
10 1969 Camaro 13.16@110.21 427 ZL1 430 four-speed 4.10 HC 6/69
11 1997 Corvette 13.20@109.3 350 LS-1 345 six-speed 3.42 MT 5/97
12 1997 SLP Camaro SS 13.20@108.8 350 LT4 330 six-speed 3.42 MT 2/97
13 1990 Pontiac Firehawk 13.20@107 350 350 six-speed 3.54 CD 6/91
14 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 L71 435 four-speed 3.70 HC 5/68
15 1970 Road Runner 13.34@107.5 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
16 1970 Buick GS Stage I 13.38@105.5 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
17 1996 Camaro Z28 SS 13.46@106.48 350 LT-1 310 six-speed 3.42 MCR F/M 96
18 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 4.10 HR 2/69
19 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.29 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
20 1969 Corvette 13.56@111.1 427 L88 430 automatic(?) 3.36 HR 4/69
21 1969 Super Bee 13.56@105.6 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
22 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 four-speed 3.91 HC 9/69
23 1970 Challenger R/T 13.62@104.3 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
24 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
25 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 four-speed 4.56 SS 4/68
26 1995 Mustang Cobra R 13.67@102.82 351 300 five-speed 3.27 MCR A/S 95
27 1964 Polara 500 13.70@107.37 426 4V 365 four-speed 3.23 HC 2/64
28 1996 CorvetteGS 13.7@105.1 350 LT-4 330 six-speed 3.45 RT 2/96
29 1969 GTX 13.70@102.8 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
30 1987 Buick GNX 13.70@102 231 Turbo V6 300 automatic 3.42 HR 4/87
31 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
32 1971 Road Runner 13.71@101.2 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
33 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
34 1971 Corvette 13.72@102.04 454 LS6 450 four-speed 3.36 CL 8/71
35 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
36 1968 Hurst/Olds 13.77@103.91 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
37 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 four-speed N/A HR 3/68
38 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 L71 435 four-speed 3.55 HR 5/67
39 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 351 Boss 330 four-speed 3.91 MT 1/71
40 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 3.54 CD 4/66
41 1969 Coronet R/T 13.83@102.27 440 4V 375 four-speed 4.10 SS 4/69
42 1968 Cyclone GT 13.86@101.69 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
43 1969 Nova SS 396 13.87@105.1 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
44 1969 Shelby GT-500 13.87@104.52 428 CJ 335 four-speed 3.91 SS 9/69
45 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 13.88@95.84 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
46 1962 Corvette 13.89@105.14 327 FI 360 four-speed 4.10 HR 1/62
47 1969 Barracuda 13.89@103.21 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
48 1969 Mustang Mach I 13.90@103.32 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
49 1967 GTO 13.90@102.8 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
50 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 four-speed 3.91 HR 2/70

Legend:
CC=Car Craft
CD=Car and Driver
CL=Car Life
HC=Hi Performance Cars
HR=Hot Rod
MCR=Muscle Car Review
MM=Mopar Muscle
MT=Motor Trend
SS=Super Stock

figment
06-30-2005, 05:12 PM
times are way off

curtg21
06-30-2005, 06:44 PM
yeah, needs to be updated too.

74javelin
06-30-2005, 06:45 PM
you have to remember that the older cars ran small junk tires back then and smoked the tires down the track. these are not times on slicks.

also so you have to look at the setup. some of the cars have highway gears.


the 69 amx ss hurst ran every low 10's off the showroom floor with slicks :dunno: but they only made the car for one year :(

Dunecune442
06-30-2005, 06:58 PM
anything after 1973 is NOT a musclecar. Vipers and late gen camaros/corvettes do not belong there. They are sport cars, not muscle cars. If it can take a turn faster then 35 then its not a musclecar :lol:.

Keenan

74javelin
06-30-2005, 07:36 PM
i've posted that list before and it always starts a debate about what a musclecar and what cars are not on the list, ect....


dunecune442, i hope you ment to say 74 not 73. my car is a 74. 74 was the last year they where made. same body/motor/everything from 71-74

http://mysite.verizon.net/res0iiqn/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/car1.jpg

Frankie
06-30-2005, 08:20 PM
50 fastest production cars, that means as is from the factory. You seen some of the sorry ass tires these cars come with from the factory? And you know how good tire technology was back in the 1960's.

Dunecune442
07-01-2005, 02:00 AM
I was under the impression that the motors were smogged out after 73 and had much more restrictive exhaust and lower compression. How was AMC able to escape? Nice car btw.

I agree with the tire thing. Steel belt radials were considered high perfomance. My BFG radial T/As squeel if I put alittle too much throttle or if I take a turn more than 30. These radial T/As are better than 90% of the tires available in the 60s and they still suck ass. :nono:

HerHotRod
07-01-2005, 09:18 AM
I wondered if anyone else had seen this before. I don't know who put the list together but the mix of yrs and types of cars is definately wrong I agree. How can you compare a 97 viper to a 70 Chevelle? Theres just a small technology gap there. And then look at the market that was being targeted at the time when each was produced and to try to compare them is not posible I don't think.

Dunecune442
07-01-2005, 10:24 AM
yea exactly. The only "new" car I would put would be a buick GN, just because they are so damn fast stock.

A viper is a sports car, a ferrari killer. I have never seen a chevelle autocross LOL.

good list though. Its nice seeing what my car ran with shit tires. :thumbup:

Dano Moparo
07-01-2005, 11:36 AM
I think Hot Rod mag. put that list together. Always seems to bring up the debate on Sports Car/Muscle car. Vettes, vipers and Cobras don't belong. Not only were tires crap back then, but most of those cars were still using dual point distibutors.

74javelin
07-01-2005, 08:42 PM
I was under the impression that the motors were smogged out after 73 and had much more restrictive exhaust and lower compression. How was AMC able to escape? Nice car btw.
:

thanks

they dropped the compression from 10.2 to 1, too 8.25 to 1 in late 71. they went from a 51cc head to a 58cc head. but they put on new style heads that flowed better in 1970 :naughty: they also raised the decks height and changed the stroke to make the 343 a 360 and the 390 a 401 in 1970. all 343,360,390,401's came with 2.02 intake valves and 1.65 exhaust valves. all 390's and 401's came with forged rods and crank.

the 1970 and up heads are really nice. i've got a friend that's pulling high 9's/low 10's n/a in a 3400lbs car with 401 with ported stock heads. i've also seen video of a guy on the amc forum run low/mid 9's n/a 401 with stock ported heads in a amx/javelin like my car. i'd guess it weighs 31-3300 with out the driver. the stock heads are that good :)

i would guess with the better heads and a few more cubes would make up for the power loss from the compression drop.

some cars had the smog stuff and some didn't. mine didn't and it came stock 360 4bbl with duel exhaust. i have a friend and his 73 amx has smog junk. from what i've read it depends on what state the car came from.


hey, you may be right. there was a egr port on my stock intake. dam i wrote all this for nothing. o-well i'm posting it anyways :) well atleast the other javelin is a 1971 :)

PS i just read that gm started using egr system in 1972.

Flastangs
07-02-2005, 07:59 AM
I was under the impression that the motors were smogged out after 73 and had much more restrictive exhaust and lower compression. How was AMC able to escape? Nice car btw.

I agree with the tire thing. Steel belt radials were considered high perfomance. My BFG radial T/As squeel if I put alittle too much throttle or if I take a turn more than 30. These radial T/As are better than 90% of the tires available in the 60s and they still suck ass. :nono:

some companies didnt make much or a performace car after 71 others did...74 Trans Am 455 SD comes to mind...still fast that year.

Flastangs
07-05-2005, 09:47 AM
yea exactly. The only "new" car I would put would be a buick GN, just because they are so damn fast stock.

A viper is a sports car, a ferrari killer. I have never seen a chevelle autocross LOL.

good list though. Its nice seeing what my car ran with shit tires. :thumbup:

GN's were not very fast stock. I raced plenty of "stock" ones when they were new and they ran high 13's to low 14's. GNX's were faster. IF you modded a GN then they were fast.