4AGE 20V -> 93 Celica. Anyone wanna help?

[Mike431635]

I've had this car for a couple years now and have had good memories with it.. so many times tearing the engine apart and putting up with her bs when I really didn't want to. I can't part with her for any price worth the pain she's put me through so I'm going to need to do something drastic.

I'm sick of the 4AFE. It's given me nothing but trouble since I've owned the car and I blew way too much money rebuilding it when I should have swapped in the first place.

I can get an AE111 clip which includes the 6-spd transmission for around $3000 shipped and am trying to decide whether or not I want to go get the loan to buy it. I'm really starting to think it'd be more than worth it.

Anyhow, does anyone here know anything about this swap? I have a writeup from a guy who did a 20V silvertop swap, which is pretty comprehensive but does not have any wiring instructions. I believe I could figure out everything but would have some trouble with wiring. Could any of you help me out in this area? I can get my hands on the AE111 wiring diagrams and ECU pinouts very easily (actually, the whole BGB-- found it online).

[Jordan T]

go to www.club4ag.com and look at the tech forums. its bound to be covered.

[JC86]

i have a silvertop tranny if u end up needing a tranny

[Mike431635]

Thx JC I'll keep that in mind. I really want the 6spd though, closer ratios = tons of fun especially at high rpm :D

I was more specifically talking about being able to get in touch with one of you guys if I was in the process of swapping and a wiring question came up. Club4ag is a great place though, I've done a lot of research there.

[Jordan T]

ask mark, (apexero). hes the man with the plan.

[ElSuperSpic]

Shit that would be cool to put a 4a into the st mike. But its not really worth it. THink about it celica is a heavy ass car, 4a 20v isn't that strong to push around a st. Your better off letting sean handle your swap and making new mounts for a 3s. I know how you feel about your st. I feel the same way about my GT. I'll get rid of my swap before I'll get rid of my GT.

[Mike431635]

Yeah I know what you mean about the 3S and I really wouldn't mind having one. But I'd have to convert to M/T, find an E153, replace the clutch and crap, do all the maintenance I'd have to do on the 4AGE and some more, and then pay for a crapload of labor cause I can't do the mounts.

Then I have to worry about matching the paint on my car with the Alltrac hood, if it even comes with one in good condition, which would be uber hard to do. I'd probably spend like $2-3k extra when it's all said and done for the 3S. I could always go for a 'slownrusty' type setup later on if I want more power ;)

Unless I can get like a kickass deal on labor I don't think the 3S is really an option right now. I'll probably use the 4AFE until the thing dies or something and then swap a 3S, cause Jarco won't even look for another AE111 clip unless I prepay them and then it could be MONTHS before they even locate the car.

[etxxz]

Listen up.


First, i sell for a Co in cali. we have 20v swaps ($1350shipped to s.fl) AND there's an ae101 clip i can get to you for $2500shipped (info on this below)

Second, my mechanic can do the labor for under $1300, he's already done a swap with me and helped out with my swap. I also know a guy in clearwater that for $1590 can install, tune AND add a megasquirt standalone system so you can run sidedrafted ITB with no AFM

Third, i have all wiring diagrams/ecu pinouts for all 4age 16v & 20v...and gze as well...i can provide all the help, procedures and custom power steering setups as well as help on the swap.



SWAPS Include:
*Engine: 160hp 8400rpm "Silvertop" 32,000-34,000mi compression checked (exelent) w/ distributor, alternator, a/c, p/s pump, uncut engine wire harness, ECU, AFM, *igniter w/ coil*, *fusebox*, starter, flywheel, intake AND exhaust manifolds.
*30day startup warranty
*you'll need a fuel pump which i can obtain as well

CLIP:
has all stated above, + indash wiring, dashboard, axles, mt tranny and more
*30day startup warranty
*downside it has 59,000miles

pm/e-mail for info, i'd be glad to help everyone else too
luisriera@aol


*edit: my mech in oakland park. etxx ~ boca area. I sell ~ 5engines/mo so i'm not blowing smoke

[marksaccord95]

shit l can get 20vs cheaper then that

i replied to your email with my number...

[etxxz]

no you prob can't get 20v's cheaper...like i stated in club4ag...nobody i've seen includes the fusebox, ignitor, coil, starter and everyone agreed...sometimes the flywheel, no warranty (from day of arrival) and so on...

please send that e-mail again, if i didnt reply already i prob looked it over or it came to my spam box...also, nobody else actually helps you thru the installations like i do hence why i sell so many engines.

etxx

[marksaccord95]

Listen up.
I also know a guy in clearwater that for $1590 can install, tune AND add a megasquirt standalone system so you can run sidedrafted ITB with no AFM




that would be me, who posted that on club4ag ;) AKA markshatchi86

how long have you been selling motors online? bc ive been doing it since 2000, and moved a lot more then 5 motors a month.

$1300 shipped is what i charge for a COMPLETE (including tranny) silvertop swap

$1500 shipped is what i charge for a COMPLETE (including tranny) blacktop swap

thats uncut harness, ignitor, TRANNY, all accessories, etc, 30 days warantee as well.

[marksaccord95]

ok and mike, i got your voicemail, but i didnt want to call too late, ill give you a call tomorrow afternoon.

[christo4_99]

does this help any?

[etxxz]

that would be me, who posted that on club4ag ;) AKA markshatchi86

how long have you been selling motors online? bc ive been doing it since 2000, and moved a lot more then 5 motors a month.

$1300 shipped is what i charge for a COMPLETE (including tranny) silvertop swap

$1500 shipped is what i charge for a COMPLETE (including tranny) blacktop swap

thats uncut harness, ignitor, TRANNY, all accessories, etc, 30 days warantee as well.
yeah that's you alright

i'm 18 and i just ad engines for this people in Cali...i sold 5 20v sets and a sr20det set (2000+S&H) last month

My prices are a lot better i just said 1350 to make a nice profit and it was lower than everyone i knew, not to mention many people dont have the fusebox ignitor and coil...which are cruicial to this swap

What i dont do, is the standalone systems Mark does...i've been in this business for 2months... = since i got my 20v set :D

peace

[ElSuperSpic]

Meh I'm still stickin to my storry. Mike if you want a 4a, sell your celica and buy a rolla and let mark swap that shit for you. I'm telling you, a 4age in a celica is not worth anything. You will be highly disappointed. Trust me 3s is the way to go. Talk to sean. Check out his website. www.Centralflperform.com

[Mike431635]

If the 3SGTE revved to 8k I'd be happy ;) Seriously though.. 4AGZE block, built 20V head, T3/T4, forged internals.. mmmmm. $$$, though. Probably wouldn't cost any more than swapping a 3SGTE into my ST with all the custom work that would need to be done.

[BeQuietAndDrive]

Mike, I don't know you that well but I do know of you.

I think you should go with the 3S. 4AGE is very nice but I do think you will be a little dissapointed. I have to agree with Nelson. You will spend extra money for the 3S but the potential is so much higher.

[Mike431635]

The transmission is dying. Everytime I redline it, it sticks and I have to let off the throttle until it will "grab" again and start moving. I may have to do this sooner rather than later. I'll get a quote from XAT and CFP about how much it would be to do a 3S swap + MR2 tranny.

[christo4_99]

when you are ready to do the swap give me a price for the 4afe...

[marksaccord95]

If the 3SGTE revved to 8k I'd be happy ;) Seriously though.. 4AGZE block, built 20V head, T3/T4, forged internals.. mmmmm. $$$, though. Probably wouldn't cost any more than swapping a 3SGTE into my ST with all the custom work that would need to be done.


let me know when your ready and i can make it happen

[Mike431635]

Who are you? lol

Do you work at a local shop or something?

[aphxero]

I'd go 3s if possible. It's capable of the torque you need and is already boosted. Put some sort of air/fuel control and boost control and you're all set.

Listen to nelson because he knows. 4a is for corollas IMO.

The only way I'd even consider an "a" series engine in a "t" chassis would be a turbo 7age. But even then it's not worth the money.

Now get a 3s haha.

[marksaccord95]

Who are you? lol

Do you work at a local shop or something?


lol


something like that

[Mike431635]

Ok, well I sat and thought about it for a while.. and I figure if I can get it done for the right price I'll probably swap a 3S very soon. Time to start getting estimates from shops, because I definitely don't know how to weld and mess with the mounts.

[ElSuperSpic]

I'd go 3s if possible. It's capable of the torque you need and is already boosted. Put some sort of air/fuel control and boost control and you're all set.

Listen to nelson because he knows. 4a is for corollas IMO.

The only way I'd even consider an "a" series engine in a "t" chassis would be a turbo 7age. But even then it's not worth the money.

Now get a 3s haha.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Stop crying cause you want a motor to rev over 8k. Who cares? Why do you want all your power to be up there rather then having all your power around 5-6k? 8k is alot of stress on a motor. I can rev mine up to 7.5 bish. ;-) Car still pulls all the way through, that damn 60-1 moves alot of air. :tard: Anyone cruising this saturday night? I'm going out to gandy, ofcoarse not to raise but just to cruise, my friends have gsts, and a rx7 tt. I'm trying to get more people to cruise along with us. Let me know.

[hachibill]

Ok, well I sat and thought about it for a while.. and I figure if I can get it done for the right price I'll probably swap a 3S very soon. Time to start getting estimates from shops, because I definitely don't know how to weld and mess with the mounts.


or you could do a 4agze swap. alot more TQ than a 20v and no custom mounts. or get the 4agze swap sell all the supercharger stuff and do a turbo 4ag. 3s is a real good motor but 4ag is just as good. why hasn't anyone done a v6 celica? damn, 1mzfe with the TRD supercharger in a celica would haul ass.

[tampamax]

or you could do a 4agze swap. alot more TQ than a 20v and no custom mounts. or get the 4agze swap sell all the supercharger stuff and do a turbo 4ag. 3s is a real good motor but 4ag is just as good. why hasn't anyone done a v6 celica? damn, 1mzfe with the TRD supercharger in a celica would haul ass.



I'll buy the engine and supporting parts if you will do the work. Make a tutorial or swap package from the practise and market the swap. :-D No bullshit, got the celi sitting right here waiting. ;-)

[BeQuietAndDrive]

Actually, there is a guy that did a v6 celica. His name is Adrian, and he used to post often on celica.net.

It's a 1MZ from a Solara I believe. He made custom mounts. Apparently it's not a bad fit.

[ElSuperSpic]

:stupid: yes he is right, he now post on celicatech.net/com. Theres also a twin turbo v8 celica out there in aussie land. :D Yes check out CT.com for an awsome vid on it. Screw the 1.6 4ag, reguardless if its turbo charged, It will never be a match for the 2.0 3sgte, that motor is the fuckin shizzle, its bullet proof and the potential is unlimited. mike keep us updated, switch to a 3s with a s53 tranny. I might have a spare tranny, if I buy another celica gt.

[Mike431635]

What tranny do you have in the silver car? I'm kinda weary about running an S53, I don't wanna be replacing a tranny every few months and YES I will be driving it hard. What's the point of having a 3SGTE if you don't drive it hard? :hehe:

I think my ST has forgotten what it's like to not be at WOT :hehe:

I'm definitely planning to do the 3SGTE swap. Been thinking about it a lot lately. However, I don't wanna pay out of my ass for a shop to do it. The only problem I will run into is that one mount that has to be moved over from the GT-Four. If I could rent/borrow a welder from someone and have someone competent at welding do that, then I believe I'd be good to go. Nelson, if you wanna help I'm all for picking up a clip and figuring this out. We can get Tom down here, bring a couple other CelicaTech guys over, and have a swap party. Naturally we'll get some work done in there. But someone has to help me wire this thing.

[BeQuietAndDrive]

I'd be down to help if ya need it. I don't know garbage about wiring but I can lift shit and lend a brain when needed.

[ElSuperSpic]

Haha I'm down for a swap party, I'm off sun, tues wed. Tom is also off on tues and wed. I'll bring the beer! :D Yeah I'm going to give sean a call, see if he can make a call out to your house to weld.

[Mike431635]

I'm off on weekends and get off work every weekday at 4:30. On Tuesday nights I'm not available though, so it would have to be around that. It wouldn't take long to do at all with a few of us working on it. I just hope some of you guys are good with wiring cause I'm kinda scared of that part. I may talk to Chris Dittrick and see if he would be able to do the harness for me which would include extending all the wires. I know he does swap wiring for people for around $100 or so.

[ElSuperSpic]

Sorry but your going to have to kiss thomas' ass to help you with the wiring if you want to get everything perfect... I'm more then willing to help though.

[Mike431635]

I'll probably see what Sean can do cause if I have to mock up the motor and trans for him to even get the mount right, once it's at the shop it's stuck there until the swap is done. I'll give him a call today or tomorrow.

[Mike431635]

I've decided to kill this project for now. Nelson, I've been trying to call you but everytime I call I get your voicemail and I've left a couple messages. Your phone might be crapping out or something but give me a call if you read this.

I need to take care of some other things first but trust me, this swap will be done. Not only will it be done, it will be done the right way. E153 LSD trans, built block, worked head, cams, EMS, the works. By this time next year it will be done.