your fav. drift car to build?

[art]

well I was woundering what the best drift car might be to build and why? so if you can give me your driving exp. with the car and what make's it a numbeer 1 pick for you and Im not talking some insain over price project somthing that joe avrage can afford....I know the AE86's and 240's are big but give me your veiw's the owner's and driver's why do you love to drive YOUR car? what make's the handling better and what realy turn's you on when you see said car swing sideway's???

it's safe to say the bug has started to bit down a bit and im kinda intersted in building a fun car for drifting and well I want to hear you veiw's the 2 car's nedless to say would the AE86 and 240 LOL my only concern with the AE86 is power...from what iv seen and heard is the dont have a hell of a lot of power and the stock engine dosnt have much ability of making power but from what i hear is the hanling is better in the AE....

and for the 240 I have seen great thing's and have had loads of fun watching taylor and jamie jamie build and drive there car's and customer's cars and have been wow'd buy steve's coupe as well as the 240 taylor built for john (RHD sr20) but anyway my intrest has been spiked and i would enjoy some info
thanks in advance folk's
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[DEATH ZEPPELIN]

Stick to what your good at and go rwd dsm, it takes a bit of transfer cases to go thru and a center diff or two, too bad you cant switch like the transfer case selection like an r32, that would be alot less hastle.

[FreeThinker]

Toyota Previa!!!

or RWD DSM.... Starion I'm talking, 6G72 powered.

Or how bout a Mazda 929,

Merc. CLK

Or Acura RSX, er maybe a 7th Gen toyota Celica hehe

[JC86]

he wanst to know the best car to build from ur own experience............

[FreeThinker]

Hrmmm, well lightweight, easily adjustable suspension, decent weight distribution (somewhere between 55/45 and 40/60) wheelbase from 2500mm to2900mm is ideal, good selection of engines, and ideally a stiff chassis.

The 240 fits the bill great, but take my word, I know that Formula D and other series are getting tired of the Nissan-fest and are ACTIVELY trying to broaden the fields.

I seriously think a Starion is a great platform ( I have some experience with them, though not drifting) or an affordable European car such as 1992 or newer 3 series, or older 5 series.

Lots of parts available for American cars, but a light, RWD domestic with a decent chassis is RARE!

It really isnt about experience with a car, if you understand setup, and can make any car a good drifter.

-Sean

[art]

Stick to what your good at and go rwd dsm, it takes a bit of transfer cases to go thru and a center diff or two, too bad you cant switch like the transfer case selection like an r32, that would be alot less hastle.

LOL I would love to but i want to do this as a fun car, you know me I am a poor mofo LOL engine's I can get but the transfer's and tranny build's cost a bit more than I can handle the thought had hit me though a 1st gen awd drifter would be the hotness but I have a bad habit of being a
"creative driver" LOL I do have to say from some of the tranny's such as the wrx/sti setup's have realy hit me as a great achevment in the auto industry, I have had a few customer's who have desided to put there wrx's through more than they should have ever been through and come out still kicking!!! but im kinda wanting to build a spacific use car selection like a fun to drive daily such as my current project, civic hatch, a drag car probibly a eclipe's or somother DSM monster and a drift car as far as a starion ehhhh i dont know I realy just want to strip a car down and just build it not restor it to make it run IE: rebuild another starion wire harness LOL arggg..... but anyway keep it coming
thanks folk's
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[paul kersey]

240 is the easiest, and least headache of all.
something cool would be an older 3 series, miata, or even a 93 and up 3 series.

[JR]

A 1980 Toyota Celica Hatcback (RWD). I used to have one with the 20R motor, that thing was fun to drive.


James

[art]

240 is the easiest, and least headache of all.
something cool would be an older 3 series, miata, or even a 93 and up 3 series.

I would like the idea of a bmw but I would like to keep the cost of the shell down to a minimum I have found a few 240's for around $1k runing I still want to get some input on other car's but chance's are probibly a 240 as you stated " the least headache" and Im figuring for a starter car the least amout of problem's the better....
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[FreeThinker]

Don't do a 240, it's too lame already. I almost want to scrap my project....

Since you apparently have DSM experience, get an AWD shell, or the whole damn car, and use the motor, bolt it to a D50 pickup truck tranny and carve the tunnel out a bit larger. If the fab work of the tunnel and welding is too much, I will come weld it for you, just cause I want to see something original!! :)

-Sean

[_Charles_]

the best thing about a 240? You know it can be drifted. If you go 'outside the box' (like I almost did with a 1987 Cressida....you could dump a shit load of $$$ into it only to realize that it's just too much of a pain (or too hard to drift).

Start with a 240 KA welded diff. I drove Cliff's S14 with welded diff @ Ocala at the private event, and I was surprised how easy ti was to get sideways on my first lap.

Charles

[hachibill]

i would do something different if i had the money and time.

there are plenty of possibilities that would be good for drifting in about the same price range as a 240.

choice #1 82-85 celica gt,st, perferably a coupe. anything but a gts with the IRS. do a nice n/a 22re or a 22rte, but the hard part of this car is finding parts. like a mk1 supra rear end and the 22rte motor. but thats what i would do.

choice #2 a 88-91 cressida. Do a 7mgte or 1jz along with a 5spd swap and you r good to go. have taka find suspension parts for you in japan. just a little heavy for the beginer, but 80's vip is the hottest tits ever.

choice #3 mk3 supra, i know its a tank, but i would start with a hardtop perferably n/a and do a 7m,1j,2j swap, and lighten the piss out of it.

choice #4 87-89 starion or conquest. nice factory wide body, looks good, just get rid of the crappy DSM drive train and wiring and put a real motor in it. 7m,1j,2j, SR whatever, just use a better motor than the original. not sure about the chassis or suspension though.

choice #5 79-93 mustang coupe, although i would take a different approach and go and find a wrecked SVO and switch everything in to the coupe. i would do the 4cyl turbo instead of a v8. 4 wheel disc brakes, 5lug. i think it would be hot.

these are just my idea's and think they would turn out good if someone did them up right.

[art]

well sean i have entertained the DSM idea befor and the fab work is not the problem money and a good sence of direction is where Im running into a bit of a wall I want to start with somthing I know will be a good training wheel steup...once I get a good feel for getting sideway's I will get more into the experimental aspect of it but if i where to do a starion i would have to stay true to the DSM and use a 4g63 all the way but actualy I do have a 1st gen AWD that I can get and mod to a rear wheel but I would need to put a 6 bolt toghther for it and a hand full of part's hmmm somthing to think about but I would rather start off with alrady set RWD car... so much to think about....damn it now my gear's are turning and I can see I wont be getting any sleep tonight FUCK!!!!!
ARRRRGGGG!!!!
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[paul kersey]

i think it comes down to good first car, tons of cheap parts, and support- s13.
go with something cooler later, or stick with that.. its a fun awesome car either way.

[art]

i think it comes down to good first car, tons of cheap parts, and support- s13.
go with something cooler later, or stick with that.. its a fun awesome car either way.

thats what im thinking.... less BS for my training wheel's LOL
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[Matt Vassallo]

I still want to do a Z31 up, knowing what I know now.

84-85 chassis non turbo t tops model
87+ hood, bumper, head lights, tail lights, rear bumper, rear garnish, with nice japanese front lip, and custom carbon fiber hood from crazy matt or someone of the equivalent
emperor style chassis prep - weight reduction, and simple chromoly roll bar
S13 rack, spindles, custom front lower control arms, 88+ z31 front core support, s13 rear crossmember, 5 lug conversion, nismo 2 way diff.
VQ35 out of a 350Z. Nismo R tune cams, headers, jim wolf intake, and a kinetix or some sort of intake plenum. 2005 VTC on intake and exhaust as well. Maybe shaved heads and higher compression, as wellas arp rod bolts to make it spin 600 rpm higher than normal. AEM or some aftermarket management with a real throttle cable type setup. Z32 Transmission with a spec custom clutch
The car would probably make 280-300 horsepower to the wheels
put it on some nice 17 inch wheels with some V700 rubber or Neovas or MX's
i think it would make a very nice autocross or solo1 car, and maybe even ability to drift it would be neat.
but i miss the z31s.

[aphxero]

I agree the s13 is best to start with. I personally love the snappiness of my ae86. Nothing like throwing around a 2000lb car.

[Hoonta]

my only concern with the AE86 is power...from what iv seen and heard is the dont have a hell of a lot of power and the stock engine dosnt have much ability of making power but from what i hear is the hanling is better in the AE....


dude, the AE doesn't need gobs of power.
aphxero's corolla puts down like a whopping 100whp and he can drift that thing no problem.

I would love to have a corolla, but, my 240 will do for now ;)

[aphxero]

It's true :)

http://www.geocities.com/aphxero/dyno.txt

[Animosity]

get an s14,
if you can be like me and find a stock s14(NOT AN SE) with a vlsd then buy it, i think they're easier to drift than an s13

[art]

well Im kinda leaning at a s13, weld the diff and get started there I have many plan's already and I would like to find a DOHC KA to rebuild Im sure they are around and not to hard to track down but I kinda like the s13 body for some reason or maby a coupe...Im not sure but Im am sure it will boil down to what the cost of the shell is going to be....so if you know of somone that has a rolling shell for cheep let me know
thanks
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[Ronald Mcdonald]

I still want to do a Z31 up, knowing what I know now.

84-85 chassis non turbo t tops model
87+ hood, bumper, head lights, tail lights, rear bumper, rear garnish, with nice japanese front lip, and custom carbon fiber hood from crazy matt or someone of the equivalent
emperor style chassis prep - weight reduction, and simple chromoly roll bar
S13 rack, spindles, custom front lower control arms, 88+ z31 front core support, s13 rear crossmember, 5 lug conversion, nismo 2 way diff.
VQ35 out of a 350Z. Nismo R tune cams, headers, jim wolf intake, and a kinetix or some sort of intake plenum. 2005 VTC on intake and exhaust as well. Maybe shaved heads and higher compression, as wellas arp rod bolts to make it spin 600 rpm higher than normal. AEM or some aftermarket management with a real throttle cable type setup. Z32 Transmission with a spec custom clutch
The car would probably make 280-300 horsepower to the wheels
put it on some nice 17 inch wheels with some V700 rubber or Neovas or MX's
i think it would make a very nice autocross or solo1 car, and maybe even ability to drift it would be neat.
but i miss the z31s.

i bet you wont!!! you better do it matt.

[paul kersey]

only problem with matts plan is the carbon hood.
chances are about 99% that crazy matt wont make one.

[mranlet]

You can pick up older Subarus (1st gen Legacies, GLs, XTs, etc) for under a grand and rwd conversion is as simple as welding a diff and removing front axles (although there are ways to convert and keep the front axles in as well). I'm biased from having a drift-a-liscious BC Turbo Wagon, but Subarus are overly tough and have a lot going for them:
Good balance (symetrical design)
Mad torque (at least from the 2.2 and 2.5 motors)
Long wheelbase (103+ in)
Parts interchangability (the same basic technology in all models up through around '95)
Good steering angle
Good Polar Inertia (engine over front axle, plenty of body over rear axle)

A GL or XT would be one hell of a sleeper drift car too ;)


If you want to go the beaten path/tried and true/boring route, at least do something somewhat origional, like a Ute S13 or a SOHC block/DOHC head with twin Webber side draughts or Keihan FCRs or something...

[Hella Slow]

1st or 2nd gen RX7's anyone?

[JC86]

1st or 2nd gen RX7's anyone?

not great for drifting.

[mranlet]

I know of a 1G for 500 bucks, needs a new hydro tranny line, new motor new trans, guy wants it gone. It already has a welded diff and racing beat exhaust and revs past 8k. The guy held it for me for almost 6 months for a project I was doing, but my destination car got in a wreck.

The Carbed 13b of the 1G makes for a pretty flexible powerband and you aren't battling the turbo to feel throttle response. They also weigh a just a little more than the Corolla and have live axle rear end which makes for pretty predictable breakaway. I wouldn't poo-poo a 1G until you're really put it through its paces.

How can you pass up $500 drift car of any type?

[steve]

or buy my car at the end of the month

[Hella Slow]

not great for drifting.


i guess you haven't been to Ocala and seen the (Black) 1st gen rx7 sliding around the track?

[Hella Slow]

You can pick up older Subarus (1st gen Legacies, GLs, XTs, etc) for under a grand and rwd conversion is as simple as welding a diff and removing front axles (although there are ways to convert and keep the front axles in as well). I'm biased from having a drift-a-liscious BC Turbo Wagon, but Subarus are overly tough and have a lot going for them:
Good balance (symetrical design)
Mad torque (at least from the 2.2 and 2.5 motors)
Long wheelbase (103+ in)
Parts interchangability (the same basic technology in all models up through around '95)
Good steering angle
Good Polar Inertia (engine over front axle, plenty of body over rear axle)

A GL or XT would be one hell of a sleeper drift car too ;)
...



here you go check it out.... http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233879

PIMP!

[Ronald Mcdonald]

an rx-7 isnt the easiest car to drift, but like anything, with practice, and money, you can do it...

[hachibill]

rotaries suck, they like to blow up alot.

[Hella Slow]

^^^ almost like Ka-T's right? ^^^

[steve]

a ka wasn't designed to be turboed
rotaries were designed to rotate

[Hoonta]

touche

[art]

well I have seen a few 1st gen rx-7's slide as well as one of my buddy's kick's the crap out of his LOL and it come's back for more and it's all stock...but his car is just a freak of nature LOL I have been thinking of broding my horison's on a vehical choice but also seeing I dont have much exp. in drifting I am still kinda nervus about starting a project that might seem cool and fun to drive and may not turn out to be a good drift car when all is said and done....I think what I need to do is head out one night and go on a few run's with some folk's and see what aspect's of a car make it better to drift and what make's it more difficult...I can imagine power on demand is a big plus but like I said I just need to ride around with some one and see
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[scourge]

Why not:

Porsche 924

Masterati BiTurbo (with SR20 swap)

Infinti M30

Volvo 240

Ford Mustang (any year...cheap and inexhaustible supply if crashed)

BMW 3-Series (mid-eighties are cheap and plentiful)

BMW 8-Series (if you're a big ball type)

Cadillac Catera (fat heavy car, but if Chasers can do it....)

Datsun Z (any year)

Eagle Talon TSI

Lexus SC300 (hey, Ueno drift his Soarer in D1)

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Just some ideas to have at a track day event where you won;t be running into a car just like yours every 30 seconds. Nissan 240SXs and Hachis are great cars, but different is good. Drifting events could end up like NASCRAP where everyone is driving essentially the same looking car. Zzzzzzz.

[NismoZ]

I'm with Matt. i think i creamed myself after reading his post.
Anyway, they already make a CF hood but its for 84/85 style but there's no vents or anything fancy.
I think thats an assload of work but i'd love to help you with it one day.
How come not use VG30det? you could get 500hp w/o crazy custom shit.
-b/c of low rev. limit or what?
Good stuff with the sus. though.

-also why 84/85 chassis if your gonna convert the whole thing to 87/88 (body work, 5-lug, etc.)?
and t-tops = hotness but not chassis stiffness