a simple principle: true or false

[allh0pelost]

"soft will grip, stiff will slip"

this reffers to a lot of things, but right now i'm reffering to suspension. and YES, i know there is a trade off of control/responsiveness which is why you would want a stiffer suspension for race/drift situations.

softer suspension can bear the weight transfer of a car cornering instead of putting all the force on the tires.... breaking them loose....

[JC86]

thanks for the lesson............?...............?............... .......?

[allh0pelost]

just answer the true or false and the thread will be over.

[Matt Vassallo]

what are you trying to ask ?

[allh0pelost]

"soft will grip, stiff will slip" true or false, reffering to suspension.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

for the most part its true, but theres definitely more to the setup than just stiffen the hell out of it...

[Epstein]

true. Most of the principles you're thinking of refer to dynamic or transient situations, which is definitly not the direction you're headed in your last sentance. The maximum amount of steady state force at the tire is independant of spring rate. The ability to shift weight faster, sensitivity to road bumps, ratio of vehicle weight to spring rate, and sharper changes in force at the tire are what make high spring rates break away easier.

[JC86]

what are you trying to ask ?

exactly what i was finkin

[allh0pelost]

for the most part its true, but theres definitely more to the setup than just stiffen the hell out of it...

yeah i was just thinking about how that can affect understeer/oversteer in a car's setup.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

it also has to do with camber, weight distribution, drivers personal preference can even make a difference in the driftability/grippability of a car. everything matters, even the type of tires you use.theres really not any one thing that defines a drift car from a grip car. hell, alot of companies use the same car for both. the JIC s15 is used for both, the JIC s13 hatch gets used mostly for drifting, but sometimes gets to grip it up. and there are definitely more.

[sidehappyside]

justin lets go out for a drift tonight.

[_Charles_]

True and False

There...I answered you. Don't ask for an explanation, I ain't giving it.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

hey charles, i got a question for you, how much squat and dive do you want to allow your car? not really so much squat, cuz thats not really gonna help you drift, but dive can help you un-load the rear tires, but how much is too much dive?

[Matt Vassallo]

true. Most of the principles you're thinking of refer to dynamic or transient situations, which is definitly not the direction you're headed in your last sentance. The maximum amount of steady state force at the tire is independant of spring rate. The ability to shift weight faster, sensitivity to road bumps, ratio of vehicle weight to spring rate, and sharper changes in force at the tire are what make high spring rates break away easier.


spring rate is vehicle statics

dampening is vehicle dynamics

[Ronald Mcdonald]

matt, answer my above question please, i am curious on how much squat/dive is good/too much