Why?

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Ok, i know this might start some drama, and eventually be locked. but i have a question for you guys. why are all you drifters so hateful towards new people? anytime anyone wants to try drifting, you all hate on them so much. the autocross guys dont do that shit, drag racers dont do that shit, so why you guys? just because you guys think this is a bandwagon thing or something, that may be true, but there is a reason you started it too.





let the flamefest/discussion begin...

[agentAndy]

It helps sort out the rif-raff:lol:

[_Charles_]

We don't hate....but until YOU get out there and actually TRY IT, you have no room to talk. Doing doughnuts in a parking lot IS NOT drifting. I don't hate....but I don't like comments that are negative when that person doesn't even get on the track. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. It's that simple.

Other than that....benchdrifters are fine in my book....

Charles

[Ronald Mcdonald]

well, with your comment ricerocket, i have drifted, i know how to drift. so im not one of those people that thinks they can, but have no idea how to even turn a car on. i do know how...

[Mars_302]

the sport is young

[For real?]

quick answer..

Because they dont want new people to learn and get beter and show them up at events ;)

[Durdan]

quick answer..

Because they dont want new people to learn and get beter and show them up at events ;)

i have to be brutally honest. this is 100% true.

drifitng began locally on the steets and back lots about 5yrs ago or so. those of us that were out there since the beginning hold the sport near and dear to our hearts. its what we loved and we all felt like the cool kids. now with the huge influx of newbies, the spotlight can possibly be off us.

its the honest truth.

but at the same time.. we also dont want the sport tainted my ricers and ruined like what happened to street racing. yrs ago, street racing was fun and not as dangerous. you had folks that knew what they were doing, had actual cars, etc. now its just the 'cool' thing to do and EVERYBODY is out there. we dont want drfiting to have the same fate, though its heading that way.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

drifting, unlike drag racing, takes a serious amount of skill. those ricers drag race because, yes they think its cool, but also because its something almost anyone can do. drifting takes a serious amount of skill to actually do good. those ricers will probably try it once or twice, get frustrated and then head right back out to gandy to the easy shit.

[Matt Vassallo]

Take a look at the age bracket most interested in drifting and the level of maturity that is most accepted to be norm in that age bracket.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Take a look at the age bracket most interested in drifting and the level of maturity that is most accepted to be norm in that age bracket.


how does that differ from autocross and drag racing though? those people have no problems helping new people. with a few exceptions ( matt, taylor, basically all the bigger,well known people ) all the "drifters" are assholes towards anyone who wants to try it out....

[aphxero]

I'd have to agree with preludesi. The fact that it takes skill means that unless you're really into it you won't get far. Most of the "ricers" and whatever tend to sort themselves out.

And Taylor, it's true that it takes just one dumbass to ruin drifting's image to the public. I totally agree with trying to keep idiots seperate from us (drifters). But I think it's already legitimate as a sport as far as the general public is concerned. No one thinks drifting itself is bad.

If some idiot goes and kills someone or something drifting in a crowd or where he shouldn't then I can only hope people will know the difference.

I mean, people don't go bow hunting in downtown Tampa do they? No because there's a time and place for that.

Maybe we should all try to promote safe drifting instead of discouraging some of the newbs. Out of 20 ricer bandwagoneers there's probably a few that show talent and should be encouraged. I'll drift with anyone once. If they are doing stupid shit I try to set them straight.

My $ .02

[adrian_302]

all the drifters i know (except taylor honestly) are either really cocky, assholes, or whiney little punks. thats just my take on them

[Mars_302]

Honestly I think drifting will end up like the other forms of motorsports. There will be the "grassroots" events and the main events for the ppl that want to get aspire into it. Give the sport a few more years, and things willl go that way and become like every other motorsport as far as ppl act. They are still assholes in other forms of racing too. Sides you really cant be a big name driver and be an assholes it becomes bad PR.

[Clifford]

I have always liked it since i can remember, just never had the opputunity to actually do it till a couple years ago. I dont think age has as much to do with it, rather maturity. I know that's a bad statement coming from an 18 year old, but its true. I take driving seriously, and if i want something done, its going to get done right, even if it takes too much time and work. Others find it just like drag racing, they think anyone can do it, so what do they do....go off onto some random street with an opening swign the car round a blind turn, hit a car->drifting goes bad(bad reps for all others) There will always be those who think they can do anythign because they think that they are in fact invisible to all others. Thats what screws things up for us. People with actual common sense who know when to practice and where, get screwed over by people who dont know how to think for 5 minutes at a time.

Then again, if you think of it like this, as long as the ricers are going to events, HOPEFULLY they are keeping it off the street, its juts too bad there arent more events, more time to hold them, etc...This arguement could go either way, but all in all its maturity...IMO

[paul kersey]

how does that differ from autocross and drag racing though? those people have no problems helping new people. with a few exceptions ( matt, taylor, basically all the bigger,well known people ) all the "drifters" are assholes towards anyone who wants to try it out....


if you've ever been to an autocross, youd know that 85% of the people there are usually older than 40. its not a "sport" that attracts young people.
most younger people only care about going fast in a straight line.
trust me, being 18-25, youre in the minority at just about any autocross.

[JC86]

how does that differ from autocross and drag racing though?

when is the last time u saw a kid come up to a 40 year old in a miata and ask what tire specs he is running, or what his best pass is?? everyone knows about drifting. little kids buy initial d movies and drift ready rc cars. half the kids u talk to couldnt tell u what auto x is.....

drifting is a commercialized youth directed sport. auto x is a more pure driving enthusiest oriented activity. no glitz or glamor, like drifting used to be.

[Silvia_San]

i'd have to say that at first some people come off as somewhat harsh to beginners, but once you get passed that, and actually talk to them, there really cool. it does help to know people who know people though, lol. I personally think that the "harshness" is for the best kinda like a firewall for ricers. it weeds out the people in it for the fad from the people in it to have fun.

[vincel]

i think that the "EXPERT DRIFTERS OF TAMPA" are more clicky then a high school. i mean grow up. be a decent person and step-up help someone for a change. instead of goin up to someone who just started and laughing at them and not saying "hey nice run go back out there and try this_____it might help u with ur control" But no in stead they just laugh and make fun. the way i see it is they are like little preppy bitchs in high school that pic on the ugly chick and give everyone bad looks. they are the PROFESSIONALS and no 1 should talk,look, or try to be better, if they do lets shun them. so to all u who think ur better or the badest mother fucker around(excluding a few people)i say fuck u stuck little bitchs

[hachibill]

i think that the "EXPERT DRIFTERS OF TAMPA" are more clicky then a high school. i mean grow up. be a decent person and step-up help someone for a change. instead of goin up to someone who just started and laughing at them and not saying "hey nice run go back out there and try this_____it might help u with ur control" But no in stead they just laugh and make fun. the way i see it is they are like little preppy bitchs in high school that pic on the ugly chick and give everyone bad looks. they are the PROFESSIONALS and no 1 should talk,look, or try to be better, if they do lets shun them. so to all u who think ur better or the badest mother fucker around(excluding a few people)i say fuck u stuck little bitchs

wow, someone needs some therapy.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

I do agree with vincel in that the more experienced people shouldnt just laugh and say shit like, wow what a ricer faggot to anyone who wants to try it out. i am just getting tired of seeing people being told how gay they are or how they are jumping the bandwagon just because they want to try something. i have known about drifting for years now, i have always liked drifting, i have done some drifting of my own, and feel that i could hold my own. i havent yet had this experience, probably because noone has seen me try, but im tired of seeing some new person come into the forums asking for advice, and getting flamed.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

All i have left to say is, i cant wait til i finish my drift car. i know most of you guys are pretty cool, but please, try to help the new people, help teach them how to keep it safe and smart. man, i cant wait til my car is done...

[_Charles_]

I don't hate....but I don't like comments that are negative when that person doesn't even get on the track. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. It's that simple.

Other than that....benchdrifters are fine in my book....

And like I said, its the 'negative comments' or sarcastic remarks that I do not like from benchdrifters. I have no problem helping out, ask Hoonta. I even gave him the keys to my car at the last event and I let HIM drive it for a lap. Don't forget, Hoonta has a stock KA, welded diff, and springs....and I gave him the keys to my SR20det beauty? YEP.

While many in this forum 'seem' to be keyboard hardasses, they really are not. Once you get to know them IN PERSON, than you see how they really are, but till then, they don't know you, and you don't know them.

So ask away for technical questions, and for advice, etc.... but if you don't hit the track...than you have no room to make judgements.

Perfect example: DDAY6. Somebody brought out a SC300. Sweet car. I actually went into the crowd to see how he would do. It was his very first event....and he took his time, and wasn't up to the crowds 'expectations'...and this 'crowd' included a few TR members. They boo'd him, they said 'get off the track', but you know what? It was his first time, and he wasn't in teh peanut gallery, he was on the track. That person has the right (in my eyes) to come on here and say what he wants (within reason). He had the balls to go out there. I give him proprs, and hope he comes out again.

If you think the forum members are asses.....the crowd is 10x's worse.

Charles

[paul kersey]

wow, someone needs some therapy.
not to mention grammar lessons.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

ok, well when i get my car done, and i go out and drift in front of you guys for the first time ( not MY first time, just in front of a crowd ) i hope i dont hear that shit, i dont see why people have to hate. seriously the guys was driving a fucking sc300, i saw the pics. those are heavy, have bad steering angle, and arent the best cars for drifting, but he got out there, and people boo'd him, thats so gay. they should have offered advice, given their input.

[_Charles_]

but he got out there, and people boo'd him, thats so gay. they should have offered advice, given their input.

I do believe Matt was riding shotgun....

and yes....get your car, finish it, and show us what you've got. I am so tired of hearing people talk about 'how well they can drift'. I have a car setup for drift, I goto several track days, and I still suck at drifting. Nothing is more irritating than kids saying 'I can drift', but never prove it. Talk is cheap.

And this is the same no matter where you go. I'm also tired about hearing about 'your boys' 10 sec street car. Bring it. (<---not directed towards anybody in general).

[Ronald Mcdonald]

well charles, that sounds like a call out. so when i get my car done, i will show you "what i got". until then, i really wont be talking about it, cuz i too hate when people talk shit but never prove anything. thats why noone on here even knows what the hell im working on. except for one person now that i think of it.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

i also never said i was the best at drifting either. I know that i have quite a bit to learn still, and im willing to learn, take my time, practice ( in a safe environment ) and get to know you guys better. but until then, i think im done talking about me and my un-finished car

[agemomai]

i also never said i was the best at drifting either. I know that i have quite a bit to learn still, and im willing to learn, take my time, practice ( in a safe environment ) and get to know you guys better. but until then, i think im done talking about me and my un-finished car


good move. see you at dday dude!

[_Charles_]

well charles, that sounds like a call out.

I have a very good friend that has a 91 Civic hatch that probably has one of the best suspension setups in Florida, but you know what? He would never go Auto-Xing.... He would sit there and talk about 'taking this corner' and about how 'if he were to go auto-xing', how he'd tear it up, etc. He even went to some events to watch...but continued talking shit. Finally, I gave him a ride in my Integra Type-R at an SCCA event. After that 60 second run (as a passenger), he had a new respect for what auto-xing is all about. He doesn't talk shit anymore.

'Drifting' on a track is 100x's different than drifting on the street. On the street (or parking lot)...only YOU know when you pulled off a drift the way you intended...nobody else knows. If you spin out, or go wide, or miss your turn, your passenger has no clue what you intended...the location is usually 'open'. On the track though, this is not the case. There are definite lines. Turn 1 in Ocala can either be your best friend, or intimidate the hell out of you. The thing is, when you miss the line, you know it, and so does everybody else. It's hard to hide it there. People like JAy, Matt, Rob, Bill, etc have mastered the track, but alot of people have not.

so if you want to consider it a call-out, than that is your choice, but unless you are going to donate a car for me to drive, I may not be able to join you. (of course....I could 'borrow' Hoonta's spare 240 ;) )

Charles

[Ronald Mcdonald]

it wont be for a while though...lol i wont finish it til at least sometime after i get back from basic..i leave june 1 so sometime after that ill be at every dday see you there man

[Ronald Mcdonald]

charles, im not trying to start any shit. i want to be friends with all of you, not enemies...lol. i realize that i have alot to learn, but the difference between me and all the other people who say they can, is that i have done it, and im willing to put the time in to learn how to be better. i am willing to spend the time/money to be as good as i possibly can be.

[Hoonta]

The only drift events that i've been to are DGtrial events (I know I suck right now, but I don't street drift.. not only are tickets expensive.. but there is a much higher risk of breaking something (or someone) while trying to be hardcore.), plus the staff is MORE than helpful.

Like Eric and Tony (both seated formula D drivers) are excellent teachers and are more than willing to help out anyone out there.

Tony rode along with me multiple times and gave great pointers.

So not everyone hates.. But being the fact that there are all of these JDM ricer whores out there who think they can drift because they're able to "drift" in their neon, expect the new guys who say they can drift to be flamed sometimes.
I've loved drifting (as a spectator) ever since I got my 240 back in 99.. but it wasn't until recently that I actually got the balls to get out there and do it.

So all I can say to the newbs, is to keep at it, and do it for yourself, and not do it because it is trendy or to try to prove yourself.. if you don't feel you're accepted by everyone, so what.. it is fun as hell regardless what people think of you.

[DustinM]

see, i like drifting, ive known about it for a while, i just got my permit 6 months ago, and i got my 240 3 months ago, granted my 240 is a shit box and needs a ton of work, i really do want to go out and practice, i know my first 40 runs will be shit, i know i cant drift, but hey, atleast i wanna learn, and atleast there are a few people who will help, but drifting in a stock ka-e isnt exactly fun. i wish someone would have definate answers to what works and what doesnt, i know people drive different and have different styles, but i just need a general setup to learn, and have someone who knows what they're talking about to guide me. and holy crap, none of that made sense.

[ryojikaji143]

I am generally an asshole to the newbs. After I see them actually drifting or trying to drift, maybe I will be cool and help them. To me it seems like alot of people "try it" because it's the cool thing to do. I don't think it's especially cool, fun yes, but not cool. If they do it for the wrong reason, I will hate on them all day. I don't know, I think there is a sort of "silent probation period". Like if you are a drug dealer and you think that someone is an undercover cop. Smoke this shit or your fuckin dead sucka, haha.

my $.02

[ryojikaji143]

BTW: I drift the shit out of a stock KA24E ;-)

[DustinM]

BTW: I drift the shit out of a stock KA24E ;-)
stock suspension too? i mean, if i can do it relatively cheap, ill be all over it, but i know drifting isnt cheap, and im probably gonna break more shit than i can imagine.

[88supramkIII]

hey guys i hate to jump into this thread but i read what prelude si said and i dont think alot of the poeple i know that drift are assholes i think alot of it fucking matters on how your attitude is and respect and maturity i ahve a shitty 4000 pound car for drifting but im not gunna say i can do it cause the guys i know will beat my ass anyways it matters on your attitude and ur maturidy im really young in this whole car world scene period but from the people ive talked to about it have been the nicest down to earth laid back people ive met and talked to about it dude as long as u dont have the high and mighty ricer attitude i think ud be fine o and dont try and go out there and show people shit do cause u love doing it and people will see that and respect you more than if u fucking try and be a showoff!!!!!!
( i give thanks to bill and andy ) haha

[hachibill]

i would love to see drifting grow, but theres always a chance of it growing into something ghey like street racing did with the F@F. so i think its just unsureness on which way its going to go that keeps us from wanting to see it get bigger. hopefully it will go in the right direction like it did in Japan. but its always the coolest when its in the beginning and underground.

[DustinM]

hey guys i hate to jump into this thread but i read what prelude si said and i dont think alot of the poeple i know that drift are assholes i think alot of it fucking matters on how your attitude is and respect and maturity i ahve a shitty 4000 pound car for drifting but im not gunna say i can do it cause the guys i know will beat my ass anyways it matters on your attitude and ur maturidy im really young in this whole car world scene period but from the people ive talked to about it have been the nicest down to earth laid back people ive met and talked to about it dude as long as u dont have the high and mighty ricer attitude i think ud be fine o and dont try and go out there and show people shit do cause u love doing it and people will see that and respect you more than if u fucking try and be a showoff!!!!!!
( i give thanks to bill and andy ) haha
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?!

[ryojikaji143]

stock suspension too? i mean, if i can do it relatively cheap, ill be all over it, but i know drifting isnt cheap, and im probably gonna break more shit than i can imagine.

2 way LSD
bucket seat
coilovers or shock & spring setup

Get that stuff and I would say that you have a very driftable car. I have that stuff and more but that list will give you a good base. Good luck ;-)

[Pineapple]

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?!
He forgot to add periods to his sentences. Go out and try drifting.

[dudocius240sx]

i dont believe some of the better guys put newbies down, or treat them like jerks. I do think some of them are really cocky and i dont blame them. I have gotten pointers from some of the better guys(tony, Bill, Taka, ter-tech) and after you get to meet them they are nice people to talk to, These advance drifters may be jerks sometimes but only when they dont know you. But nothing compares to the expectators the people on the other side of the Fence i call them the (THE OTHERS)lol. The stand there talking crap about every single drifter, only cause the watch Initial D every day, or because they play Need for Speed 20 hours a week. they think they have the right to insult and make fun of others. Ex: the guy with the Soarer, I think he did great, he had no fear. And prelude it doesnt take that long to build a drift car, you have companies like MR, Ksports, SPL who sale cheap coilovers, you have junkyards where you could find the VLSD, and you have the empty parking lots where you could practice, i totalled my car at Hialeah and i had a working drift car in less than a month.

[Rich]

drifting, unlike drag racing, takes a serious amount of skill. those ricers drag race because, yes they think its cool, but also because its something almost anyone can do. drifting takes a serious amount of skill to actually do good. those ricers will probably try it once or twice, get frustrated and then head right back out to gandy to the easy shit.

Is this really what some of you guys think? Half the battle of drag racing is building a car that makes power and puts it down. To say that anyone can be a successful drag racer is just as ignorant as saying anyone with a stock 240 can be a 'drifter'. I don't know you, but you've obviously never been capable of building or owning a car that makes any respectable power, and anything going in a straight line is 'the easy shit'. (because you couldn't ever do it well enough for it to be fun).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt it.

[ryojikaji143]

Is this really what some of you guys think? Half the battle of drag racing is building a car that makes power and puts it down. To say that anyone can be a successful drag racer is just as ignorant as saying anyone with a stock 240 can be a 'drifter'. I don't know you, but you've obviously never been capable of building or owning a car that makes any respectable power, and anything going in a straight line is 'the easy shit'. (because you couldn't ever do it well enough for it to be fun).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt it.

IMO: Anyone with enough $$ can have some sucess drag racing. On the other hand, no matter how much $$ you have, it will get you nowhere in drifting.

My $.02

[Little Nicky]

I planned on going out to dday with my mustang,after hearing about the guy getting boo'd i dont think i want to anymore.And if you ask me ryojikaji143 your ignorant,If you put people down who are trying to get started,you will be the only one doing it.If it were me i would help the newer people as much as i could and not be a prick.Im not gonna to try something new and get badger'd about it.All though i think i would do rather well.IMO

[_Charles_]

I planned on going out to dday with my mustang,after hearing about the guy getting boo'd i dont think i want to anymore.

and that's my point. I welcome new drivers. Come out, and don't worry what others think. Do it for you...

[_Charles_]

It takes ALOT more skill to be a successful Drifter than it would to become a Successful DRAG Racer. Just look at bill....he used to rock with a KA that had about 160hp of fury. It was (and still is) DRIVER.

Here's the list:
90% Driver 10% Car = DRIFT
75% Driver 25% Car = AUTO-X/ROADRACE
50% Driver 50% car = DRAG
25% Driver 75% car = NASCAR
0% Driver 0% car = BenchRacer

[Little Nicky]

i think i will.Ridealong anyone lol,i need my revlimiter first.

[ryojikaji143]

I planned on going out to dday with my mustang,after hearing about the guy getting boo'd i dont think i want to anymore.And if you ask me ryojikaji143 your ignorant,If you put people down who are trying to get started,you will be the only one doing it.If it were me i would help the newer people as much as i could and not be a prick.Im not gonna to try something new and get badger'd about it.All though i think i would do rather well.IMO

Woah, I just don't like to waste my time with people who are going to quit anyway. I don't necessarily put them down, I'm just not nice. Like I said, If I see them out there trying a few times, I will be cool and help out. Anyway, it's not my job to help people. I am trying to get better myself. Most of the time I say nothing.

[REY]

my .02 cents..:

like many of the above comments, I see that many people jump into "teh bandwagon" cause it's the "cool" thing to do now. I personally think I have a loooooong way to go before I can drift like a lot of the big leaguers out there. much props go out to Durdishus, Hachibill and Ostrich since they've earned teh "pro" status in comparison to myself in my book. If you are a nO0b in dtifting, criticizm will come from EVERYONE but as long as you keep it fun and don't endanger me or my family, you'll be alright. One thing is to grow tough skin and the other thing is that many people become "teh god's" in their own head and won't spend 5 minutes of their time to talk to no0bs and so you have a big rift... Much respect to EVERYONE who sticks to something and makes the most out of it. I appreciate the time and input i have recieved from many on here.. and the neggy comments doesn't really bother me cause all in all we are entitled to our own opinion

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Is this really what some of you guys think? Half the battle of drag racing is building a car that makes power and puts it down. To say that anyone can be a successful drag racer is just as ignorant as saying anyone with a stock 240 can be a 'drifter'. I don't know you, but you've obviously never been capable of building or owning a car that makes any respectable power, and anything going in a straight line is 'the easy shit'. (because you couldn't ever do it well enough for it to be fun).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt it.

i never said they would be succesful, i just said that anyone can build a car to go straight. i realize not everyone can make a fast car, just anyone can drive a car straight ( drag racing ) it takes a lot more skill and practice to keep a car sideways around a turn...

[Rich]

IMO: Anyone with enough $$ can have some sucess drag racing. On the other hand, no matter how much $$ you have, it will get you nowhere in drifting.

My $.02

I don't consider paying someone to build my car 'success'. All of the money in the world with no knowledge can't build a motor or a car to go fast. Believe me, I've seen plenty of high dollar DSM and other builds go nowhere.

I still find it difficult to quantify something that can't be measured with numbers. Oh well, I guess I even have respect for the hard working figure skaters out there. Not near as much as a top fuel, rally or indy team, but some nonetheless.

[_Charles_]

I still find it difficult to quantify something that can't be measured with numbers.

You get 'points' for entry speed, angle, excitement, and something else (forgot).

points = numbers
numbers can be measured
you suck at this...give it up and accept it. It's a new 'motorsport'. This is the frist new motorsport in decades. You think the first time a Model T and a dodge runabout first pulled up to the candle, that everybody was around cheering them on in the first ever drag race? I think not. I think some people were standing around scratching there heads, while others thought outside the box and enjoyed it. Which one are you?

Charles

[2Valve]

Long live TR Drama

[Clifford]

Long live TR Drama
I will actually disagree with you on this, this is a very organized peaceful thread. Keep it going, haven't seen any flaming yet, just really good point and opinions.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

You get 'points' for entry speed, angle, excitement, and something else (forgot).

points = numbers
numbers can be measured
you suck at this...give it up and accept it. It's a new 'motorsport'. This is the frist new motorsport in decades. You think the first time a Model T and a dodge runabout first pulled up to the candle, that everybody was around cheering them on in the first ever drag race? I think not. I think some people were standing around scratching there heads, while others thought outside the box and enjoyed it. Which one are you?

Charles

charles, while i agree 100% with that^, i really dont think those pioneers told those other people that they where stupid bandwagon ricers when they asked what they were doing and wanted to know how they could be doing to same thing....

[Drag-KA24DE]

You get 'points' for entry speed, angle, excitement, and something else (forgot).

points = numbers
numbers can be measured
you suck at this...give it up and accept it. It's a new 'motorsport'. This is the frist new motorsport in decades. You think the first time a Model T and a dodge runabout first pulled up to the candle, that everybody was around cheering them on in the first ever drag race? I think not. I think some people were standing around scratching there heads, while others thought outside the box and enjoyed it. Which one are you?

Charles

the other factor is style

[hachibill]

I will actually disagree with you on this, this is a very organized peaceful thread. Keep it going, haven't seen any flaming yet, just really good point and opinions.


true, this could have gotten alot uglier. but thanks to everyone who thinks i'm a pro. heheheheheheheheh. and i know i'm guilty of beeing an asshole, but its only until i get to know you better and see your not a flaming pile of rice. i hate bandwagoners soo mucj, but once i see your no then i start beeing nice.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

well i just hope you guys dont treat me like a flaming pile of cow-shit rice burning douche-bag when you guys finally get too see me show my stuff.

[REY]

one thing I have noticed is that in the drifting forum, there are more and more negative posts on people's threads than on FFA... too many judgemental bitches in here.....

[_Charles_]

You know what would be interesting???

Name the members that you feel are negative in the Drift Forum.

[paul kersey]

im sure im tops on that list.

[Pineapple]

Cut the malarkie!

[Ronald Mcdonald]

yeah, doc. octagon, you can be an asshole to alot of people. most of the times, it is funny, but still an asshole none-the-less. charles, u can definitely be a real jerk sometimes.riojikaji can sometimes,not so much with bill, but i have seen it.


( i dont mean to piss anybody off with this post, so please dont take offense )

[_Charles_]

yeah, doc. octagon, you can be an asshole to alot of people. most of the times, it is funny, but still an asshole none-the-less. charles, u can definitely be a real jerk sometimes.riojikaji can sometimes,not so much with bill, but i have seen it.


( i dont mean to piss anybody off with this post, so please dont take offense )

ALL RIGHT! I made the list! cool.
(and you realize I'm 30, been married for 11 years and have a 2 year old, and I hate immaturity. right?)

[<---thinks about it.....I'm in good company with Dr Octogon. /end thought] :-D

edit: that was meant as a joke.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

ummm...whos being immature? u asked who i thought was being negative in the drifitng forums, and i have seen you be very negative...u asked, i answered. i dont see the immaturity there, please explain?

[_Charles_]

ummm...whos being immature? u asked who i thought was being negative in the drifitng forums, and i have seen you be very negative...u asked, i answered. i dont see the immaturity there, please explain?

didn't say it was immature. I just stated that I hate immaturity (in general).

[paul kersey]

i might be an asshole, but i treat my friends like family.
everyone else, i couldnt care less about.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

well how does that go into this thread? you just threw that out there randomly? like i said before, im not trying to start shit, i just wanted to know why people bash on all the newbs and try to discourage them...all i wanted

[paul kersey]

who are you talking to?
i dont even get the point of this thread.

people are assholes no matter what you do.
time to face the facts.

[Drag-KA24DE]

everyone is a asshole to somebody at one point or another... either it's because the person trash talks about something he/she has never done or they act like they know wut they r doing but have never kicked the back end out of their car b4... they are normaly the ones that get trash talked or say something is gay

[For real?]

You get 'points' for entry speed, angle, excitement, and something else (forgot).

points = numbers
numbers can be measured
you suck at this...give it up and accept it. It's a new 'motorsport'. This is the frist new motorsport in decades. You think the first time a Model T and a dodge runabout first pulled up to the candle, that everybody was around cheering them on in the first ever drag race? I think not. I think some people were standing around scratching there heads, while others thought outside the box and enjoyed it. Which one are you?

Charles


this just in...

Charles is a DICK!!!!

[ryojikaji143]

Good to know that you think i'm an asshole sometimes. I wouldn't word it that way, it's more like honest.

[RussianKid]

true, this could have gotten alot uglier. but thanks to everyone who thinks i'm a pro. heheheheheheheheh. and i know i'm guilty of beeing an asshole, but its only until i get to know you better and see your not a flaming pile of rice. i hate bandwagoners soo mucj, but once i see your no then i start beeing nice.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/697000-697999/697066_106_full.jpg
:nworthy:

[40ozCasualty]

Here's my thoughts, though they probably don't matter.

First a question, Are you paying these people to teach you how to drift, or setup your car for drifting? These guys have been around this for some time now, They have been through all the same shit as every newbie is now (Including myself.).

If you really care about, or are interested in this sport, You'll do things your way. And mabye along the way, they will give you some pointed tips, and advice to help you improve, once you prove to them that your not just trying to help "ruin" something they hold so dear.

No one had to tell me shit the first time I got my car sideways, I just fucked around until I figured it out. No one told me that if I took my fan shroud out that my car would eat wiring harness up like spahgetti. Just like anything the whole idea of this is to have your own style. Its easy to get a car sideways, Its hard to master it.

Everytime I have a question, or need some help, these "assholes" have been around to lend a hand. Mabye they just don't like you because you don't treat them with the respect they deserve, its people like them that we can now have DDAY and the likes.


Instead of making threads about how much of an asshole a certain group of individules are, Why don't you make a thread telling them how much you respect them for helping start this sport, and making it easier for people like you and me to get involved. I have yet to encounter one of these assholes, and I don't think I ever will, Because I don't say that I'm the uberJDMdriftar, or wait till my mad tyte JDM D1GP spec drift car is done, and I'll put a mad hurtin' on your USDM ass.


Why don't you delete your ego, and this thread, and step up or shut up.

[Hoonta]

dude.. 40oz.. what you said +10

[_Charles_]

dude.. 40oz.. what you said +10

Hoonta....stop being a dick. ;)

[Hoonta]

the truth is out.

[Ronald Mcdonald]

Here's my thoughts, though they probably don't matter.

First a question, Are you paying these people to teach you how to drift, or setup your car for drifting? These guys have been around this for some time now, They have been through all the same shit as every newbie is now (Including myself.).

If you really care about, or are interested in this sport, You'll do things your way. And mabye along the way, they will give you some pointed tips, and advice to help you improve, once you prove to them that your not just trying to help "ruin" something they hold so dear.

No one had to tell me shit the first time I got my car sideways, I just fucked around until I figured it out. No one told me that if I took my fan shroud out that my car would eat wiring harness up like spahgetti. Just like anything the whole idea of this is to have your own style. Its easy to get a car sideways, Its hard to master it.

Everytime I have a question, or need some help, these "assholes" have been around to lend a hand. Mabye they just don't like you because you don't treat them with the respect they deserve, its people like them that we can now have DDAY and the likes.


Instead of making threads about how much of an asshole a certain group of individules are, Why don't you make a thread telling them how much you respect them for helping start this sport, and making it easier for people like you and me to get involved. I have yet to encounter one of these assholes, and I don't think I ever will, Because I don't say that I'm the uberJDMdriftar, or wait till my mad tyte JDM D1GP spec drift car is done, and I'll put a mad hurtin' on your USDM ass.


Why don't you delete your ego, and this thread, and step up or shut up.


and we have a contender for the number one asshole spot! i never said i dis-respect these guys, i have a ton of respect for these guys, all of them. i never said they treated ME personally like shit, i just notice always there is alot of negativity in the drift forum. and i never said anything about me building "a mad tyte uber jdm d1gp car" i am building a simple car to start out with, then more mods as my skill level increases. and these guys didnt start this sport, they just helped make it bigger in this area.


just so charles, riojikaji, bill, and everyone else knows, i do have alot of respect for you guys, and i thank you guys for helping this sport grow exponentially in this area. i cant wait too meet all of you in person and i still maintain that i hope you guys dont treat ME like and asshole. noone has done this too me yet, but hey, theres always a first

[_Charles_]

and we have a contender for the number one asshole spot! i never said i dis-respect these guys, i have a ton of respect for these guys, all of them. i never said they treated ME personally like shit, i just notice always there is alot of negativity in the drift forum. and i never said anything about me building "a mad tyte uber jdm d1gp car" i am building a simple car to start out with, then more mods as my skill level increases. and these guys didnt start this sport, they just helped make it bigger in this area.


just so charles, riojikaji, bill, and everyone else knows, i do have alot of respect for you guys, and i thank you guys for helping this sport grow exponentially in this area. i cant wait too meet all of you in person and i still maintain that i hope you guys dont treat ME like and asshole. noone has done this too me yet, but hey, theres always a first

I think half the comments that you (and others) construe as 'Negative', may not actually be as 'Negative' as you think. Dr Octogon is an Ass, I know this, it's his nature, and I wouldn't expect anything less from him., but I have met Tim in person, and now I 'get' him. I don't take it personally, and therefore, I no longer consider his posts to be too negative.

And you see....I called Hoonta a Dick. Was I being an ass or negative? nope. You see, I know Hoonta pretty well, considering we spent the weekend in Atlanta for Formula D together. It may have seemed negative, but it wasn't, and he knew that.

On top of that, I myself am very 'opinionated', and that's becuase I'm usually right. Don't believe me? go look up one of my Importation threads, or Threads about Insurance. You'll see that I fight my position to the bitter death. Those that have come to realize this 'get' me. Those that know me more than a 'brief encounter' will tell you that I'm not that bad of person, that I go out of my way for people and sometimes do things that others would not.

And it's hard for anybody else here to 'validate' the level of friendship between members. I can sit here and say soemthing like 'Taylor Durdan is a complete ass' (but he knows it's not true, as we have known each other for 5+ years)....but I can say it none the less because I KNOW HIM and I KNOW how far I can push him.

So first, you must strip the bantering between members that know each other but give each other hard times. Now, how much negativity is left? remember, the Drifting group is a SMALL portion of TR.

Charles

[hachibill]

Here's my thoughts, though they probably don't matter.

First a question, Are you paying these people to teach you how to drift, or setup your car for drifting? These guys have been around this for some time now, They have been through all the same shit as every newbie is now (Including myself.).

If you really care about, or are interested in this sport, You'll do things your way. And mabye along the way, they will give you some pointed tips, and advice to help you improve, once you prove to them that your not just trying to help "ruin" something they hold so dear.

No one had to tell me shit the first time I got my car sideways, I just fucked around until I figured it out. No one told me that if I took my fan shroud out that my car would eat wiring harness up like spahgetti. Just like anything the whole idea of this is to have your own style. Its easy to get a car sideways, Its hard to master it.

Everytime I have a question, or need some help, these "assholes" have been around to lend a hand. Mabye they just don't like you because you don't treat them with the respect they deserve, its people like them that we can now have DDAY and the likes.


Instead of making threads about how much of an asshole a certain group of individules are, Why don't you make a thread telling them how much you respect them for helping start this sport, and making it easier for people like you and me to get involved. I have yet to encounter one of these assholes, and I don't think I ever will, Because I don't say that I'm the uberJDMdriftar, or wait till my mad tyte JDM D1GP spec drift car is done, and I'll put a mad hurtin' on your USDM ass.


Why don't you delete your ego, and this thread, and step up or shut up.


yeah, basically what he said!!!!! ifyour into drifting as much as we(the older group) are then you'll figure it out on your own, just like we did. your 1st drift car SHOULD be a POS!!! cause you know your gonna hit shit! i don't mind helping someone out, but its always the same questions that have been awnsered a thousand times. i don't mind the technical questions at all. i guess i have a good ability to spot the pop tarts. hell lets start another poll in the drfting forum. who in this forum is a POP TART???? here just casue its cool. this means people in hear giving opinions and don't go out and drift at all. MANCHSETER UNITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha j/k.

[REY]

pop tarts lol............. dammit thanks for making me crave the S'Mores pop tizzarts now

[ryojikaji143]

just so charles, riojikaji, bill, and everyone else knows, i do have alot of respect for you guys, and i thank you guys for helping this sport grow exponentially in this area. i cant wait too meet all of you in person and i still maintain that i hope you guys dont treat ME like and asshole. noone has done this too me yet, but hey, theres always a first

You'll never meet me because I live 3000 miles away. Anyway, when you are the new guy, people don't know what you are about. Because of this you will most likely get tested by a few people. Not just in drifting, this applies to any situation. It's not that anyone doesn't like you on a personal level. Back when I was new people used to fuck with me all the time. Now I get respect from everyone. You just gotta put in your time and get to know people. When someone gives you shit, don't take it personal. Just roll with it and show em what you got. Put in your time and prove your not a poser. Everyone else has to do it.

[Little Nicky]

Well i wanna drift cause it seems fun not to make friends,i could care less about making friends or"being cool".Otherwise i wouldda bought a 240sx or some other bandwagon drifting car.I think i will do quite well with my stang.I just need some spots to practice.

[silviaivlis]

reverting back a page or two. . .

most everyone on TR are dicks. Its the human condition of being able to speak your mind to someone thats not in front of you. its really technologies' fault, not the people using it. Try selling a car on here, youll get nothing but negative replies and taunts. Or try something original and youll get a bunck of B.S.

Yeah, i am building an all motor 240sx minus the KA. Deal with it.

As for drifting, i'll never go to a track day for practice. i'ld pay triple the drivers admission fee NOT to have anyone there. I cant stand crowds booing and shit. Why? Cause im inherently one of them that ends up taunting. Same as the TR forum mentality, crowd mentality is the same. everyone speaks thier mind without the repricussions of being face to face with the poor guy thier jeering. Im guilty for it and im not proud of it, but unless everyone else in the world comes to terms with this, ill never go drifting in public. Ive owned a very decent Silvia converted 240sx for nearly two years and ive only gotten it sideways (on accident) twice. Im looking to resolve this by building a second car thats matched with my skill level and confort on the road. Not too powerful, but a car that will teach me how to drift, but ill never ever go to an open track day to drift in unless im comfortable with my skills and my set-up.

Its very discourageing for newer people to try and drift on a track and have the mob boo them. The veterans of the tampa drifting scene never had this problem because by the time sanctioned events came about they where already very confortable with themselves. Us newbies are not, and the influence of the crowd is too much for most of us, hence the negativity towards the more skilled. Its really boils down to envy. I know i sure would like to be cocky to some idoit asking how to "Takumi" around the corner. I would love to feel like im in complete control of a car that is totaly out of control. I would love to have the crowd cheer at the sound of my engine and the squeel of my tires. But thats not the case but for a few lucky and highly skilled members of this group of drifters.

Hence . . ."drifter wanna-be supreme"
I really do want to be good. Most of us say this, but im not, and i accept the fact that when one is new to something, anything, they must learn the ropes and deal with the consequences of being unknowledged in the field. its a part of trying something new.

sorry about the long windedness. I usually dont post my mind uless i feel strongly about a subject. I also dont usually post due to the bashing the happends on TR. I prove my point.

[viper]

^very true, but it also boils down to who has the balls to push themselves. I see a lot of kids at events from the side because I don't have a drift-able car yet and from what I have noticed is that a lot of the newbies are afraid to push beyond the limits, letting fear get to them. I presume the people who are accually advanced have crashed their car pushing it too hard (if not, I'm a dumb-ass and disregard this post) at one point or another and that is a very big limiting factor. My thought is that you learn as fast as you are ready to let go and push.(if any one of you see my car its very clear what I mean.)

P.S.I don't know most of you guys and I can relate with the hesitation of meeting and asking guys questions because of the fear of being rejected or called a noob.

[_Charles_]

Its very discourageing for newer people to try and drift on a track and have the mob boo them. The veterans of the tampa drifting scene never had this problem because by the time sanctioned events came about they where already very confortable with themselves. Us newbies are not, and the influence of the crowd is too much for most of us, hence the negativity towards the more skilled.

Do you know where I was for DDAY 1-3? behind the camera lens. I didn't drive till DDAY4. Before DDAY4, I had NEVER driven a RWD performance car to it's limits. I had completed about 2 (maybe 3) doughnuts in my 240 before the event. I had 0 experience drifting. And you know what? Alot of TR was there making there judgements about me...but I brushed it off. I went out there because I wanted to prove to myself that this was something I can do. I did it for me.

So in the end....when it came time to 'put up or shut up', I bit my tongue, I ignored the comments being made by others, and I laid the rubber on the track. It happens to all. If you let what others think keep you from doing what you enjoy, than this is not the sport for you.

Charles

[_Charles_]

I presume the people who are accually advanced have crashed their car pushing it too hard (if not, I'm a dumb-ass and disregard this post) at one point or another and that is a very big limiting factor.

I have not crashed my car yet. I have run off course, but I have not crashed. Funny enough, crashes usually happen in un-safe situations. I have been street-drifting before, but only in select locations that pose no real threat of crashing. To date, no car has 'wrecked' at a Ocala event.

[viper]

The fear is still there tough. I've heard of people crashing in to the walls at the Ter-Tec events. I guess we can say were lucky that Ocala is such an open track.

[agentAndy]

and i know i'm guilty of beeing an asshole, but its only until i get to know you better and see your not a flaming pile of rice.

yea, I totally thought you were a piece of shit when I first met you :asshole: :)
After a year of friendship, now I know you are ;-)
but, I guess you can drive.
no, Bill is a great guy. really.
Yea, hearing people flame at all the DDAYS is getting rediculous. Most out there are beginners and I guess everyone has just watched too much Option drifting.

[agentAndy]

I have not crashed my car yet. I have run off course, but I have not crashed. Funny enough, crashes usually happen in un-safe situations. I have been street-drifting before, but only in select locations that pose no real threat of crashing. To date, no car has 'wrecked' at a Ocala event.

he said "Advanced drivers" hahaha J/K charles.

[dudocius240sx]

At DDay i was driving on the beginners class cause thats where i belonged, I was driving my new flat black coupe. I really dont care what the so called "fence Drifters" say, as long as i see i am improving. And i did had lots of improvements it was my first time at ocala, and even though i herd many people talking crap about how i was doing. i really dont care cause i am the one out there having fun, and learning while they are standing in front of a fence running their mouth and trying to learn new strategies so when they get home to try them out on their Need for speed game. Most of the advance guys are nice once they see you are really interested and your trying.

[accord95]

Take a look at the age bracket most interested in drifting and the level of maturity that is most accepted to be norm in that age bracket.


+1 besides older drifters that i've met, rob, taylor, mark, matt, charles, all of the others are ricer, highschool, wanna-be-thugs. the younger crowd just doesnt know what respect is, the type of respect that every person deserves no matter what.

[_Charles_]

he said "Advanced drivers" hahaha J/K charles.

I know, I know....

<----still intermediate

[dudocius240sx]

I am 21, and most of us who attended DDay 6 were 21 and under and we have more than respect for some of these guys.

[_Charles_]

I think Jay Levan, Tony Shultz, and myself are the only 30+ year old drivers @ Ocala events. we just getting too damn old.:crack:

[_Charles_]

the so called "fence Drifters"

sorry to correct you...
the correct term is 'Bench Drifter', even if they are hanging on a fence.

okay....now back to the action.
<----feeling damn good right now...got a smile on my face!

[dudocius240sx]

LOL. Bench Drifter, we should all get shirts that say Bench Drifters. LOL

[accord95]

I think Jay Levan, Tony Shultz, and myself are the only 30+ year old drivers @ Ocala events. we just getting too damn old.:crack:


we knew all the TR drifters before they were drifters, back when they were into honda's.

[paul kersey]

you know, also in no matter what situation and no matter what you want to do.
im sure right now on tampatennis.com or whatever, theres some other guy wondering why he got snubbed at the pro shop.
its called life, and some people are assholes. and some arent.
and when youre in front of a screen, and not a real person to the person on the other end, dont expect the utmost courtesy, and kindness.

you know, i am a total asshole, but i still help people out, me and charles arent best friends by any means, but im still driving with no rear seatbelts, and holes in my c pillars, so he could put his child seats in his car.
so to go along with what charles said, its the internet. either dont worry about it, or cry, and think everyones an asshole. whichever.

[_Charles_]

you know, i am a total asshole, but i still help people out, me and charles arent best friends by any means, but im still driving with no rear seatbelts, and holes in my c pillars, so he could put his child seats in his car.
so to go along with what charles said, its the internet. either dont worry about it, or cry, and think everyones an asshole. whichever.

:whoa: :cry: ...that's so sweet Tim.

[sniff, sniff]

okay....moment over. let's get back to being asses. :-P

[dudocius240sx]

i am moving out of Florida because of Assholes like you guys. :-D

[paul kersey]

yeah dude.
im the nice-est ever.

[_Charles_]

i am moving out of Florida because of Assholes like you guys. :-D

why? so you can go somewhere else with even bigger assholes? :asshole:

[_Charles_]

yeah dude.
im the nice-est ever.

What fucking ever. Your an Ass and you know it. Man-up, you love it.

BTW:
<---postwhoring this thread.

[accord95]

you know, i am a total asshole, but i still help people out, me and charles arent best friends by any means, but im still driving with no rear seatbelts, and holes in my c pillars, so he could put his child seats in his car.
so to go along with what charles said, its the internet. either dont worry about it, or cry, and think everyones an asshole. whichever.

people are only assholes because of the internet, if they werent behind the protection of their monitor they would be alot more respectful. unless your smaller then them.

[_Charles_]

people are only assholes because of the internet, if they werent behind the protection of their monitor they would be alot more respectful. unless your smaller then them.

nah...Tim is an ass in person too, so there goes that theory. got another theory you'd like to share?

[paul kersey]

trust me, ive been an ass before i ever had the internet.
now i just dont have to leave the house to be rude to people.

[dudocius240sx]

people are only assholes because of the internet, if they werent behind the protection of their monitor they would be alot more respectful. unless your smaller then them.


GOOD POINT, LOL. But then again there are those who are just Born :asshole:

[Hoonta]

As for drifting, i'll never go to a track day for practice. i'ld pay triple the drivers admission fee NOT to have anyone there. I cant stand crowds booing and shit. Why? Cause im inherently one of them that ends up taunting. Same as the TR forum mentality, crowd mentality is the same. everyone speaks thier mind without the repricussions of being face to face with the poor guy thier jeering. Im guilty for it and im not proud of it, but unless everyone else in the world comes to terms with this, ill never go drifting in public. Ive owned a very decent Silvia converted 240sx for nearly two years and ive only gotten it sideways (on accident) twice. Im looking to resolve this by building a second car thats matched with my skill level and confort on the road. Not too powerful, but a car that will teach me how to drift, but ill never ever go to an open track day to drift in unless im comfortable with my skills and my set-up.

Its very discourageing for newer people to try and drift on a track and have the mob boo them. The veterans of the tampa drifting scene never had this problem because by the time sanctioned events came about they where already very confortable with themselves. Us newbies are not, and the influence of the crowd is too much for most of us, hence the negativity towards the more skilled. Its really boils down to envy. I know i sure would like to be cocky to some idoit asking how to "Takumi" around the corner. I would love to feel like im in complete control of a car that is totaly out of control. I would love to have the crowd cheer at the sound of my engine and the squeel of my tires. But thats not the case but for a few lucky and highly skilled members of this group of drifters.



I've been to the last 3 Ocala events, and besides some uturns and what not.. I really don't get my car sideways on the road. (and of course in the rain.. thats just a given)

Dday 4 was my first time drifting ever.. I'm 25, I've been "in to" drifting for like 8 years now, but only on the side lines..(japanese magazines, websites.. videos..etc) I didn't know there was a "scene" in tampa, I never knew there was anyone local that knew how to do it until I found TR last year.
I never even knew about the events. I've had 3 240s since 99, but was always too damn afraid to try to drift, and I never really knew that my car had enough power to do anything. - until I went to Dday 4.

I was nervous as hell, and I sucked hard core... but you know what? I couldn't hear shit from the crowd with my helmet on.
I could care less what they're saying about me while i'm out there. Because i'm out there, and they aren't.. I haven't really seen anything negatvie from the other drivers that go out there.

I've been improving every event I go to.
You can learn the basics of drifting on the street, but screw that.. pay the money to go to an event, have a pro driver drive along with you and give you pointers.
Tony Shultz has helped me a bunch.

Short and sweet version - don't worry about what other people think. pay for ocala. spin out on every turn, learn from mistakes on a safe track, don't learn from $$$$ in repairs from hitting shit on the street.

[accord95]

well, the two time i've met rice rocket he has been very cool, plus all of his posts that i've seen he acts very professional.

dr octogon, i've met in person probably twice as well, and seemed to be cool. but, well he is a little too small to be talking shit to anyone. i think my 12 year old brother could take him out, seriously. no offense to mr octogon, just stating the obvious.

me, i try to treat everyone with respect. the only people i am rude to are people who are rude to me, and ignorant people. i try not to be rude or pass too much judgment because that shit will bite you on the ass some day. and its always better to have more friends than enemies, even if it is behind a keyboard.

[40ozCasualty]

Hoonta, We should make babies together. :-D


Honestly, If you read between the lines in this thread, you can see that this community is very tight, and close. I haven't met alot of the people I see on here, and I plan on meeting them, I'm young I make some dumb mistakes, but at the end of the day, When I'm sitting here with my two broke down ass 240's I wish I was out there getting sideways.

I guess preludesi is missing the point but, at the end of the day if you love to drift, you won't let anyone opinions or attitude, get in the way of that. Everyone could hate me on here, and I would still go tear tires up. I <3 this sport, and the community.


Oh and Thanks for nominating me for the #1 asshole, It means alot. I honestly try to my hardess to be a dickhead. :asshole:

[paul kersey]

dr octogon, i've met in person probably twice as well, and seemed to be cool. but, well he is a little too small to be talking shit to anyone. i think my 12 year old brother could take him out, seriously. no offense to mr octogon, just stating the obvious.

.

this is sarcasm right?
and refresh my memory as to who you are please.

[hachibill]

see how positve everyone got now, we need more of this. hhehehehehehhei actually got a couple of smilies out of this thread...........ANDY. hahahahahhaha

[accord95]

this is sarcasm right?
and refresh my memory as to who you are please.


we met at a TR party awhile ago, cronic was there, marty mcfly, clint, destiny, emo hatch, streetheat, 93ex, d33, alot of mofos.

[Mars_302]

Tim is definetly not small, and not in a gay way either

[_Charles_]

see how positve everyone got now, we need more of this. hhehehehehehhei actually got a couple of smilies out of this thread...........ANDY. hahahahahhaha

Yes, this thread will live on in Drift Forum infamacy.

[accord95]

Tim is definetly not small, and not in a gay way either


maybe im thinking he is someone else?

[Drag-KA24DE]

Yes, this thread will live on in Drift Forum infamacy.

i think we can still add a good 3 more pages lol

[ryojikaji143]

I'm 25 and so is my twin bro (Aphxero on TR). I feel old alot of the time...

[Drag-KA24DE]

1/2 the people i knwo out here make me feel old...

[DustinM]

well, with someones comment about the age level and maturity level, im 16, and i have more respect for people than you could imagine.. its just crazy, and im going to be called a bandwagoner, and hear i suck all the time, but hey, fuck em, im gonna be havin fun, and just because im not making them squeal like little girls just means im not as good as the guys out in d1gp and formula d.

[paul kersey]

we met at a TR party awhile ago, cronic was there, marty mcfly, clint, destiny, emo hatch, streetheat, 93ex, d33, alot of mofos.

that is 100% not me.

[88supramkIII]

i agree with kardon alot if your a newb then your gunna get shit. hell your gunna get shit in your life no matter what and no offense to anyone on here but if you fucking complain about o hes an asshole o theyre booing me ur like a lil highschool girl. i fucking suck my cars a 4000 pound peice right now but i still try and people say shit but w/e either except it or reject it and fucking move on.

[Clifford]

The reason most people are "assholes" in here is because either they know a bunch of the "starter" drifters and they dont want to see all the n00bs ruin such a great sport. This is getting ugly...

[Rich]

The reason most people are "assholes" in here is because either they know a bunch of the "starter" drifters and they dont want to see all the n00bs ruin such a great sport. This is getting ugly...

I doubt it has anything to do with ruining a 'great sport', it has to do with making something popular that was once reserved for an outcast socially different group from the rest of recreational racing. Its not so much fun when the 'different cool thing to do' is done by everyone.

[silviaivlis]

true. The peace symbol (making a "V" with your pointer and middle fingers) was cool untill Nixon did it on TV. No one did it after that. . . (Except for the Japanese who seem to be absolutely obsesed with the gesture)

The fact that anyone can go to Hot topic and spend $300 and come out looking like a socially deprived and neuroticly depressed goth says it all. Hey, in highschool i took the time to put all those safety-pins in my pants myself. Cradle of Filth used to be an awesome band, now its the same old shit as everyone else, just with a bit more screaming. Its the story of any "fad".

What is underground never stays in the shadows, and soon as in comes out in the open it is ruined. How do you keep something underground? I dont know, ask the Stonemasons. theyre still cool.

The idea here would be to let the scence grow and learn from the mistakes of other underground niches. Street racing and imports show cars were killed by Hollywood, a fact that cant be denied. But look at other race ventures. NASCAR started with Rumrunning, which was more illegal then than street racing is now. Today its one of the most popular sports in american history. Drag racing started with a couple of guys puting avaiation grade fuel in thier model "T"s after WW2 and seeing whos was fastest down the landing strip. Let us just hope Drifting can age much like the sports that have stayed around, and not explode and fizzle like. . .well, F@F spawned rice.

[viper]

we should invite some cops to an event and accually show them that were not just a bunch of lunatic teenagers, and that its a lagit form of racing and that we emphisise saftey and sanctioned events.

[Rich]

What is underground never stays in the shadows, and soon as in comes out in the open it is ruined. How do you keep something underground? I dont know, ask the Stonemasons. theyre still cool.

IMO, anything that is made uncool by exposure wasn't ever cool in the first place.

[paul kersey]

dude, cradle of filth is still pretty fucking good.

[Mars_302]

monotous as of late, but still good. But thats awesome to use tham as reference in this conversation :lol:

[scourge]

all of the others are ricer, highschool, wanna-be-thugs. the younger crowd just doesnt know what respect is, the type of respect that every person deserves no matter what.

Here here! The original poster claims that those who have been drifting for a long time are assholes? I find the exact oppostie to be true. I'm 31, and a high school teacher here in Japan again.....thank god! I taught high school in the US for a few months and thankfully got the hell out. Young kids...and I use that term on purpose - as it reflects their thought processes and not just age...like to talk shit in front of their peers to look cool.

Another mentioned the benchdrifter haters. These people really piss older guys off because all they do is talk-talk-talk. That, or they talk shit about things they know nothing about. My favorite is kids who insist that FF cars can drift as well as FR/AWD or even better, those who are adamant that FF can drift at all even after physics has been explained to them. Naturally, these kids are FF owners and they want to jump on the lastest bandwagon in their never ending quest for peer acceptence, just just because its fun butto become some bullshit "alpha-male" in their clique.

We call them bandwagoners, and no amount of logic will sway them. Not only will these deperate noobs think that they know more than you, they NEED to know more than you do. When you do try to help to educate them about how things really are, they get defensive and run back to the safety of their peer group.

I used to own an R32 Skyline the first time I lived in Japan, I didn't mention it at first, but I did mention that I had lived and taught in Japan. I had so many kids talking crap about the Skyline this and the Skyline that and it was obvious that they didn't know shit. Even after I TOLD THEM that I owned a Skyline and drove it everyday, they would say that they read this somewhere and that somewhere oftheir friend said this or that and that was what they were going to believe. I was like, WTF?!?! Try to help some people and they kick you in the teeth.

People who have been around awhile are willing to help....those who deserve it; not every punk with an attitude is going to get a free ride. We sure as hell didn't. I lived on a tiny island south of Okinawa that I know you'd have to do a google search on because no one here has heard of it. I went drifting as often as I could without fellow Americans or groups of Japanese to hold my hand throughout the process.

Do I still suck at drifting? Yes, I do. Am I an expert on drifting? I'd never be so presumptuous. But as the old saying goes, "god helps those who help themselves" so don't expect more outta people than you would the Almighty.

Relationships cut both ways. Be a cocky know-it-all to guys who have been around awhile and you'll get put in your place. Come with an open mind and a willingness to learn and you'll meet some drifters who won't shut up. Remember, a two-way street that the internet does not accuratly reflect.

[Pineapple]

I think that's the most intellectual thing I've ever heard from a drifter.

[sidehappyside]

SQUINTS YOU FAG! want to here something intelectual from a drifter. y=mx. YAY. now im going to go use my intelectual mind and go pass my 2nd per. exam!!

[_Charles_]

Another mentioned the benchdrifter haters. These people really piss older guys off because all they do is talk-talk-talk. That, or they talk shit about things they know nothing about.

We call them bandwagoners, and no amount of logic will sway them. Not only will these deperate noobs think that they know more than you, they NEED to know more than you do. When you do try to help to educate them about how things really are, they get defensive and run back to the safety of their peer group.

People who have been around awhile are willing to help....those who deserve it; not every punk with an attitude is going to get a free ride. We sure as hell didn't.

Relationships cut both ways. Be a cocky know-it-all to guys who have been around awhile and you'll get put in your place. Come with an open mind and a willingness to learn and you'll meet some drifters who won't shut up. Remember, a two-way street that the internet does not accuratly reflect.

I cut it down to the important parts. Well said.

Add a rep point to this person. Best '1st post' newb award goes to you, hands down.

[scourge]

Saw this forum after finding out about it from the guys at enjuku racing. I usually just go to www.ziptied.com (http://www.ziptied.com/) but I thought this thread was something I could contribute it. I'm not an expert or a know-it-all but I do know some things and pass those along to younger people willing to learn. Thanks for the welcome.

The problem I encounter most is from kids, again its not just age but also mentality - some mid to late 20 year olds would qualify as "kids" in this sense as well - is that when I tell them something that they don't want to hear they get defensive and want to attack to prove their "street cred" in front of their homies - and without a doubt this comes mostly from FF kids who NEED to spread the myth that FF can drift as it is understood and accepted in Japan. They want the free ride to the top of the coolness ladder without taking any steps or using the right equpiment. Using FF to "drift" is like taking a fishing pole to a baseball game. It just ain't gonna work no matter how much you believe it will. Its a matter of physics and just because Webster's English Dictionary does not list the Japanese term of drifting using FR/AWD does not mean that FF can drift. There was a time that worlds like "quark" "to spam" "internet" were not in there, but still had a socially constructed and accepted meaning. Later they got added because they were widespread in daily use.

Although, these FF can too drift jihadists are by far the largest number of assholes I meet in the drifting world and it seems like I may be picking on them too hard, they are not alone. There are many who "don't play well with others."

They can't stand the idea of ever being wrong about anything...hence the NEED to believe and the NEED for status. Its even worse on many BBS boards where some kids know each other and this translates into protecting their "internet cred" as well. People who actually know what the hell is going on tend to get a short fuse in dealing with bullshit over and over again and thus tend to come across as cranky. This is also why some boards make you prove yourself before registering. Keep out the punks and riff-raff and let the adults talk.

We get accused of being assholes and know-it-alls despie being mere messengers of truth. Its not about, I'm right and you're wrong, so apoligize to me and kneel before your master. Kids make it so personal the same way that the imports vs domestics zealots feel righteous in their crusade of superiority. I'm on a journey of learning about drifting too. Want to come along with me? If not --- eh, here is reality...take it or leave it, but don't expect me to coddle you, stroke your ego, or make any attempt to satiate your self-esteem when you choose to live in a delusion or be an pretentious asshole yourself. Whining about how unfair we are to you will not change reality.

Again thanks for having me here and letting me posts my diatribes!:bigthumb:

[Durdan]

i <3 this man

[Ichi-go]

Being a bench drifter myself, I would like to say I have never had any problems with the "older" drifting crowd. I have been spectating at events since DD2 and pretty much idolized No Ants back then. Matt, Hachibill, Erik, and Taylor have been there with open arms whenever I needed something. I think it is more the attitude of most younger band-wagoners than them being new to the sport. I even get annoyed with newer people.

Most people start out like this. "What is a good drift car" "How much is an SR20 swap" "How much HP do I need to drift" etc... I reccomend autox and going to drift events, hanging out in the pits and just talking to people.

I have had no complaint with the drift community. They are there to help if you are willing to listen.

[hachibill]

trust me, ive been an ass before i ever had the internet.
now i just dont have to leave the house to be rude to people.


HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA, so very true!!! i feel the same way. its just soo much easier to be an ass that sometimes i cn't help myself. and its soooooo much fun sometimes!!

[steve]

You know what would be interesting???

Name the members that you feel are negative in the Drift Forum.

HAAHAHAHAH i'm on that list for sure but if someone ask's for help yeah i'm glad to help them out

p.s if you want to see this thread get ten page's long let me know i'll be glad to help it get there haha

[_Charles_]

p.s if you want to see this thread get ten page's long let me know i'll be glad to help it get there haha

STFU steve.....you aussie wank ;)

(10 pages...here we come :-D )

Charles

[hachibill]

STFU steve.....you aussie wank ;)

(10 pages...here we come :-D )

Charles


postwhore!

[Ronald Mcdonald]

hahaha