Wolves in the Fold.

[Sneakin Deacon]

So i am guiding a friend back to the interstate cause she doesnt know jack about southside st. pete, and on the way there she keeps wanting to run me but i couldnt go cause i was waiting for the car to warm up. We make it to the interstate and have a little spurt up the on ramp, little 30-80 2nd gear pull, nothing special. but as we get on the interstate a little flock of rice goes flying by at a good 100+ (guessing they were WOT and the wind was holding them back :lol: ) i see her take off after them, so i jump and run them down with her. we cant really get around em cause they are taking up the lanes. she goes to the far left, and i go to the far right..we both get around a couple civics and start blowing off at them (she has a turboxs RFL :nono: its sick) no one really was accelerating so we sort of made our way through and slowed it down to a 50 roll. the group behind us slowed down and a silverish turbo integra came between me and her. i pulled it down into 2nd, and then i hear her brakeboost. The integra just jumps out without any warning and me and my friend go, by top of 2nd we had reeled in the integra and both put a car or two on it, by top of 3rd it was a bus or two back and i had about 2 or so cars on her and kept it right there. after it was all said and done, we had left the pack way back and i looked down to see i hadnt even turned on the new mod.

btw, friend has an s14, like 3" dp/exh, t25@15psi, and i think some HKS cams

[GTman85]

Nice kill or kills

[nouseforaname]

btw, friend has an s14, like 3" dp/exh, t25@15psi, and i think some HKS cams
Cams on a t-25, those Nissan guys train of thought is beyond me. I am sure he had a fmic as well.

[Sneakin Deacon]

yea, she does.

[fastisfun]

good run

[launch]

Originally posted by nouseforaname
Cams on a t-25, those Nissan guys train of thought is beyond me. I am sure he had a fmic as well.

Sounds like somebody is planning ahead. Anymore help needed with the train of thought feel free to fire away.

Launch

[accord95]

good kills kenny

[dan]

good kills.

that t25 will start blowing hot air at 15psi. usually 14 is the limit, and even then the T25 will drop off to 12psi or so in the higher RPMs due to the stock wastegate.

kenny you mentioned "she"...regina's car? who is this mystery girl (i didnt think regina had cams yet)?

[Sneakin Deacon]

no, not regina, she doesnt post on here, and yea, she is a she...i hope :lol:

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by nouseforaname
Cams on a t-25, those Nissan guys train of thought is beyond me. I am sure he had a fmic as well.

Their t25 doesn't suck as much as ours, and a turbo upgrade costs more for them. It's not as simple as a 100 dollar 14b swap to ditch the t2small. I think the cheapest turbo upgrade is an s15 turbo, which is still a few hundred dollars more than your average evo 16g, with costly side feed injectors, and no viable method for self tuning meaning that you have to plunk down 500 to have it tuned instead of using the datalogger/safc you'd probably already have if you had a dsm. It all adds up to the point where their typical mod path has a lot of supporting mods on the stocker then a jump to a bigger turbo so it can all be tuned for that setup without the need to pay for constant retunes when adding parts after the turbo upgrade, like we would. Also, their sidemount sucks, can't run much more than stock boost on it.

[nouseforaname]

Thats understandable, guess thats why there are so many swapped 240's that are not very fast at all.

[Jordan Y.]

Yeah, you hit a point where after the large initial expense of doing the swap which almost always includes front mount, exhaust, fuel pump, and boost controller, to make any more power is ANOTHER several grand all at once. So most of them get stuck in the ~230 whp range on the stock turbo for quite a while or forever. Then to bide the time until more power, there's suspension, brakes, wheels, which most dsm people don't spend much on but 240 people put a lot of emphasis on. They do have a better chassis for handling, so it makes sense to take advantage of it and have a fun corner-carver, but it's a further delay for straight-line speed. Just a different set of rules to play by on a very different car, and it's why a lot of 240's get stuck somewhere in the 13's with mph's ~105.

[TampaTSi]

why can't a 240 use a datalogger/safc to tune? I assume the safc install is just as simple as ours...but is there no logging software? is there none at all, or just none for free? is there no nissanLink? :lol: are the fast ones running AEM?

[Jordan Y.]

There isn't an affordable, useful datalogger. There is a datalogger that for 500 dollars can tell you if your door is open, what state your AC is in, auto tranny computer info, and other worthless crap, and a few useful items like engine rpm, tps, and timing advance, but the interface is not set up to log and display the useful items very well.

Plus, there's no "knock count" as we know it. I don't know the details and don't really care to know them, but from what I've seen in a few nissan rom editing programs there is a normal fuel/timing map, and a knock fuel/timing map, and I guess when knock reaches a certain level, it switches, or maybe it interpolates between the two? Also, I've read that the Nissan knock sensors switch off at WOT and above 4500 rpm, which doesn't make any sense to me. So, even if you could afford a datalogger to read it, one of the main datapoints dsm people use to get feedback on the state of tune doesn't seem to exist. I'm not sure you could get even get an idea of knock from timing advance like you can on 2g's (that is how it works for 2g guys without dsmlink, right?)

A lot of people locally have Scott/Enthalpy tune their cars. He has a rom editing program set up and he burns chips for cars based on the tuning mojo he has developed over time. I honestly don't know how you can tune a car to the edge without feedback like knock/timing advance numbers and only with wideband, wideband doesn't tell you when you're hitting the limits of the detonation resistance of your fuel on a unique setup. I'm a noob just starting to work with the tuning capabilities I have through my rom editing stuff (control similar to dsmlink), so I can't speculate about his methods.

[SPLATT]

nice runs kenny, and to your friend;) sounds like she did pretty good, so how about th at new mod?:mullet: lemme borrow it

[Sneakin Deacon]

:haha: ill let you borrow it when i figure out these damn ramp rates.

[psifactor]

I think I have met this mystery girl before. Does she have a blue/green with a big wing?

oh and good kill on the ricers.

[Zate]

Kenny Dirt has a girlfriend!!?? OMGHI2HER !!

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by Zate
Kenny Dirt has a girlfriend!!?? OMGHI2HER !!
:lol:

[Sneakin Deacon]

Originally posted by psifactor
I think I have met this mystery girl before. Does she have a blue/green with a big wing?

oh and good kill on the ricers.

yea, its blue, and i made her take the wing off :lol: she came to QSL lastnight, not a g/f though, sorry zate. hell, im still trying to figure out why she likes hanging out with me :lol:

[plazma]

If it's a dark blue then I think I have seen her around. Not to many girls in 240's with fmic's and bov running around this area.

If it is the same car then it was pretty quick.

[Zate]

pics or ban ;)

[j30a1t]

Originally posted by Sneakin Deacon
yea, its blue, and i made her take the wing off :lol: she came to QSL lastnight, not a g/f though, sorry zate. hell, im still trying to figure out why she likes hanging out with me :lol:


i think i had a run in with her a few weeks back leaving QSL over the bryan dairy bridge :D

[Sneakin Deacon]

last weeks QSL was the only one she has been to.

[Tripp]

ha that is the girl I told you left and went home frrom causeway, shes pretty too man good luck with her ... and good job on suggesting the removal of the wing

[launch]

Originally posted by Jordan Y.
Yeah, you hit a point where after the large initial expense of doing the swap which almost always includes front mount, exhaust, fuel pump, and boost controller, to make any more power is ANOTHER several grand all at once. So most of them get stuck in the ~230 whp range on the stock turbo for quite a while or forever. Then to bide the time until more power, there's suspension, brakes, wheels, which most dsm people don't spend much on but 240 people put a lot of emphasis on. They do have a better chassis for handling, so it makes sense to take advantage of it and have a fun corner-carver, but it's a further delay for straight-line speed. Just a different set of rules to play by on a very different car, and it's why a lot of 240's get stuck somewhere in the 13's with mph's ~105.

Really? My 240 runs in the 12's and its bone stock. Tuned on the dyno by Scott using a $200.00 SAFC. Lack of driving skills is what keeps most S13's out of the 12's. That and some tuning.

Brett

Kenny, Were you the guy that was at the track last wednesday night with her?

[j30a1t]

Originally posted by Sneakin Deacon
last weeks QSL was the only one she has been to.

well maybe she wasn't necessarily heading away from there ;) , but i remember a car that fits that description, me and psifactor lined up with this "240" im sure she could vouche for this...and yeah this was def a few weeks ago, because that was the last time my car was up :D

[psifactor]

Originally posted by launch
Really? My 240 runs in the 12's and its bone stock. Tuned on the dyno by Scott using a $200.00 SAFC. Lack of driving skills is what keeps most S13's out of the 12's. That and some tuning.

Brett



I didn't know sr20 240's ran 17-20+ psi stock???? And isn't your lighter than most? Her car is also a s14 which out weights yours by a few hundred? And your car does consistant 1.7 60's not many street 240's can do that all day

Yeah, we actually ran into her at durango or something and liked Chris’s n/a FC and we got to talking. I also saw her out at one of the night locations awhile back. I also remember the night carlos where you two took off at the light. You seemed to take a few busses?

[launch]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by psifactor
[B]I didn't know sr20 240's ran 17-20+ psi stock???? And isn't your lighter than most? Her car is also a s14 which out weights yours by a few hundred? And your car does consistant 1.7 60's not many street 240's can do that all day

12.910 @ 106 on 15lbs / 70 degrees outside. Stock block, head, turbo, and manifold. Full interior w/ ac. Besides I only run 18 lbs when running Nitrous spraying LS1's. You should know that.

Brett

[nouseforaname]

Stock downpipe, catalytic converter, cat-back, muffler, intercooler, boost levels, air filter, and intercooler piping?

I get what you mean though, my car went 12.77@113mph on the stock block, head, turbo, manifolds, cams, tb, yada yada.

[psifactor]

Brett,

You should go to the track soon on a cool night and turn the boost up and see how deep into the 12's you can get. I didn't realize you ran 15psi at the track.

[j30a1t]

Originally posted by psifactor
I didn't know sr20 240's ran 17-20+ psi stock???? And isn't your lighter than most? Her car is also a s14 which out weights yours by a few hundred? And your car does consistant 1.7 60's not many street 240's can do that all day

Yeah, we actually ran into her at durango or something and liked Chris’s n/a FC and we got to talking. I also saw her out at one of the night locations awhile back. I also remember the night carlos where you two took off at the light. You seemed to take a few busses?

yeah it was fun :D , through first gear she was next to me, after that after my turbo spooled it was over, by the time i crossed the light half way over the bridge i could barely see her in my rear view :nerd:

nice car though, minus the wing :cool:

[launch]

I would love to take a crack at it with a sub 60 degree temp. Hopefully soon I will catch some cool weather like that.

Brett

[Sneakin Deacon]

yea, that was me with her, i ran into another guy on the board here, thought it was you. i drove the car twice, best i could muster was a 9.3 @ 79 @ 13psi....i keep telling her the tire/rim setup is horrible and she can do all the mods in the world and not get any faster... 2.3 60' owns her :lol: there are a few maintenence things that need to be done aswell, such as a shifter (put my fist into the center console thinking the knob was still attached to go to 3rd :roll:), motor mounts because the damn shifter moves 2-3 inches in some direction when on/off the gas, and a few other little things.

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by launch
Really? My 240 runs in the 12's and its bone stock. Tuned on the dyno by Scott using a $200.00 SAFC. Lack of driving skills is what keeps most S13's out of the 12's. That and some tuning.

Brett

Kenny, Were you the guy that was at the track last wednesday night with her?

Yeah, I've seen your car run. Most 240's on the stock turbo run in the 13's, but most 240's don't run welds and mickey thompson drag radials. Most of them can't cut better than about a 1.9 sixty on the inevitable low-profile tire on the large diameter rim (goes along with the handling mods) and I've seen a lot more 2.1-2.2. I've also seen a stock turbo 240 run a 12.9 at 108 on street tires, so it's more than possible, just not common from what I've seen at the track.

[launch]

Originally posted by Jordan Y.
Yeah, I've seen your car run. Most 240's on the stock turbo run in the 13's, but most 240's don't run welds and mickey thompson drag radials. Most of them can't cut better than about a 1.9 sixty on the inevitable low-profile tire on the large diameter rim (goes along with the handling mods) and I've seen a lot more 2.1-2.2. I've also seen a stock turbo 240 run a 12.9 at 108 on street tires, so it's more than possible, just not common from what I've seen at the track.

My only point is that you do not need big hp with these cars to get them to ride out. Heck I'm sure that my dyno numbers are much less than alot of cars on here. As far as running big wheels and low profile tires to drag race with is just plain stupid if your planning on being competitive. However most 240's are used for drifting and are not set up at all to run the 1/4 mi.

Brett

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by launch
My only point is that you do not need big hp with these cars to get them to ride out. Heck I'm sure that my dyno numbers are much less than alot of cars on here. As far as running big wheels and low profile tires to drag race with is just plain stupid if your planning on being competitive. However most 240's are used for drifting and are not set up at all to run the 1/4 mi.

Brett

I agree with you. RWD is the best layout for hooking at the track if you run the right tires and right suspension setup. Most 240 people seem to be reluctant to add a pair of strip-only rims to their wheel collections, drag isn't important enough to them I guess. If I was driving a 240, I'd have a set of drag radials for running at the track.

[FlipSpeeD]

Originally posted by Jordan Y.
Most 240 people seem to be reluctant to add a pair of strip-only rims to their wheel collections, drag isn't important enough to them I guess.

What wheel collection, the only collection i have are on the car itself.. lol:lol: But i'm one of the few 240s out there taht actually likes straight line racing and not really into drifting.. i'm weired i guess...:nerd: but damm, props to u launch... 12's on the stock turbo??? dats just crazy... i doubt i can even hit 13's with my s14.. oh well:lol:

[launch]

Originally posted by FlipSpeeD
12's on the stock turbo??? dats just crazy... i doubt i can even hit 13's with my s14.. oh well:lol: [/B]

You will get there. Once you get some tuning, Tires, and get used to the car I sure you will be very impressed with what that car can do.

Brett

[Sneakin Deacon]

a nice set of spare trims should be like some weld prostars in a 15x3.5 for the front and then a 15x8 for the rear with the new MT ET Street Radial. thats what i want her to get anyways. or some bogarts.

[launch]

If I was to create a list for this car to make it into the 12,s or at least get close it would include the following.

1.ACT Clutch $300.00
2.Nismo Motor & Tranny mounts ( note: to be put in after the new clutch goes in will help with clutch install as they are much bigger and stronger than stock) $199.00
3.MT Drag Radials $300.00
4. SAFC $200.00
5. Greddy profec ll Boost controller set at 15lbs $250.00
6. Dyno tune $should be around $150.00 to get it right.

Brett

[Sneakin Deacon]

she just got the mounts today so tomorrow night were gunna put em in. i believe she has a spec clutch, she already has the boost controller...and the safc i can tune, but she doesnt have one yet.

id add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator in there aswell just to try to squeeze a bit more out of the injectors.

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by Sneakin Deacon

id add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator in there aswell just to try to squeeze a bit more out of the injectors.

Hose clamp on the return line. :)

[Sneakin Deacon]

thats a little more kenny dirt than kenny dirt would like. :lol: