CFR Solo (Autox) - 8/28-8/29

[Loren]

Is this a secret autox? How come nobody's talking it up?

Question for anyone who might know: I'd like to come to this one, and one of the main reasons I'd like to come is so that my son (age 13) can ride with me. Our insurance for SunRiders events specifically states that all riders must meet the same qualifications as drivers, so he can't ride there any more and he really misses it.

So, does CFR allow minor passengers (yeah, waivers, yadda yadda)? And would I need to "register" him to get him on the list to get past airport security?

[Leonard]

yes. you'll have to register him on the list to get him in.

You'll have to have complete the waiver. And it must be signed by BOTH parents.

It's covered in detail here. First link covers the requirements for participating for minors (must be 12, completed waiver, yada yada). The second covers the requirement for the waiver to be signed by both parents.)

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfrsolo2/message/1703
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfrsolo2/message/1707 (this post is by Cheryl Poindexter of the CFR solo co-chairs)

Waiver Link: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfrsolo2/files/

[Loren]

Thanks, dude. I can handle the waiverage, just wanted to be sure that he would indeed be permitted to ride before dragging him out there.

So, who's going? :cool:

And when's the Pre-reg cutoff?

Link to Pre-reg?

(yeah, I could look all that stuff up, but you might get a few more people to show up if you post that info here)

[Leonard]

Yeah, I figured you could handle the waiver. You get the whole insurance thing.. :lol: Just make sure both parents sign it.

I just looked up the registration stuff. I'm not really in the loop these days since I have nothing to drive.

http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/mae/frmEventDetail.Show?psevent_id=2075&psrnd=.02127404309645100271666820123255172279

[Loren]

Leonard, FYI, the form you linked me to is not current. Here's the new one:
http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/minorreleaseform2.pdf

[Tits McGee]

I'll be there, I already registered. It's a nice site, minus the grass.

[robofunc]

I munna try to be there. I'll probably only be able to make it on Sun, though. I hate not knowing until the last minute, especially now that more events seem to have pre-reg cut-off dates.

[Leonard]

Why is prereg even an issue? All pre-registration for the Brooksville site does is get you on the list of people permitted through the gate. It costs nothing. There's no penalty for not showing up. If you're not sure, put your name on the list.

[mofugga]

i'll be in DSP trim unless it's raining:evil3:

[OversteerS2K]

The grass will be handled.

The courses will be demanding, but chalk lined. Unfortunately every design looks like a giant slalom.

The weather will suck (reverse psychology sometimes works on Mother Nature).

I'll post links to the maps when they've been o.k.'d by the event chair.
Saturday's practice course:Here (http://www.cfrsolo2.com/Flyers2004/Sat_8-28_Course-Tentative.pdf)
Sunday's event course: Here (http://www.cfrsolo2.com/Flyers2004/Sun_8-29_Course-Tentative.pdf)

[robofunc]

If you're not sure, put your name on the list.

Okay. I didn't know it was that simple.

[Tits McGee]

Can minors with learners permits drive if the parental waivers are signed? I have a friend who wants to bring his 15 yr old son out.

[Mars_302]

The Domestic is signed up

[Leonard]

I don't have a current rulebook, but as far as I can tell, in 2003, they'd be alright so long as they have a valid drivers license and the minor release waiver is completed. I'd suggest sending the Event Coordinator an email to confirm that.

[Loren]

Originally posted by Leonard
I don't have a current rulebook, but as far as I can tell, in 2003, they'd be alright so long as they have a valid drivers license and the minor release waiver is completed. I'd suggest sending the Event Coordinator an email to confirm that.

I haven't heard that the rules have changed, SCCA rules used to be that a learner's permit or restricted license was fine as long as all of the restrictions on the license are met. (so, for a 15-year-old to drive in this state, they'd have to have an licensed adult driver with them)

FWIW, SunRiders insurance is different. Ours requires that all drivers be fully licensed to drive, no learners permits. I like the SCCA rules better. ;)

[Tits McGee]

I emailed the event chair to double check...

[mofugga]

who wants to co-drive a mildly prepped DSP integra gsr?:D

[PseudoRealityX]

i need something to drive Eric...

[hangten93]

if im 16 do i have to have a/both my parent/s sign??

[Tits McGee]

16 = minor.

So yes, gotta take your note home and have mom and dad sign it so you can go on the field trip. :p

[Leonard]

Also, if the waiver is not signed on-site in front of an event official, it must be notarized.

[divi]

Originally posted by Leslie
16 = minor.

So yes, gotta take your note home and have mom and dad sign it so you can go on the field trip. :p

Very suttle.

[obrien2]

I am assuming that this event will be a little more strict than the sunriders event. How can I find out what class I would be in, and what I need to do to make sure my car will be legal if I decide to go.

[oilleak]

Don't worry about it, just get registered and go. General rule - if you have to ask what class you're in, you're in novice. Best to take advantage of that as you'll get a bit more in the way of instruction and such. SCCA seems a little intimidating but once you actually show up to an event, it's not. Same folks as sunriders. Autocrossers are generally all pretty laid back. They'll help you figure out what class your car fits into at the event but for novice class, it's all the same.

[obrien2]

Ok that sounds good to me. I have been out a couple of times with you guys in the s10, but the camaro has a few things done to it, so thats why I asked.

[Charles]

registered :thumbup:

[OversteerS2K]

Course designs are up on the CFR Yahoo Group files. You do have to be a member to get in.

I'll post a link here for everyone else when they're accessible on the CFRSolo2 web-site. The files were way to big to post in the gallery here.

[OversteerS2K]

Sunday's event course: Here (http://www.cfrsolo2.com/Flyers2004/Sun_8-29_Course-Tentative.pdf)
Saturday's practice course: Here (http://www.cfrsolo2.com/Flyers2004/Sat_8-28_Course-Tentative.pdf)

Slalom hell. If you do both days keep your tires on the same sides and they'll wear evenly :lol: .

[Formula KZ1000]

Here is sundays strung together. :D

http://www.myexpatmail.com/kz/course_map.jpg

[mofugga]

holy crap, you using the entire 5000 feet for that course???

[Mars_302]

that an auto-x or a damn road course?

[OversteerS2K]

holy crap, you using the entire 5000 feet for that course??? Naw, it's only like 3100 feet and the start will get cut by another few hundred (forgot the cables are only 300').

It'll be long, but we have the space so why not use it... It'll be fun. Now weed-eating it won't be fun. I already know my arms will be seized up after dragging around a trimmer all afternoon Friday.

[Tits McGee]

Okay, I emailed the event chair about the 15 yr old wanting to participate thing.......been like 4 or 5 days and I have yet to get a response. I guess I'll just have them bring and sign the waivers anyways. :dunno: Good thing I didn't have any really important questions.

[Loren]

I'm not sure I'll even bother walking that course. Too long to REMEMBER anything!

Going to register now...

[Jreyenga]

I may show up Sunday and try to figure out a ride..

Eric, let me know if the "rental" GSR needs more drivers

It all depends on how late I'm delivering pizzas Saturday, or how early Sunday..

btw, I've all ready got the course memorized


left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, LEFT...... RIIIIIIIGHT... repeat.

just giving you a hard time Todd, it's hard to make a course on a narrow runway

[mofugga]

i think my new "beater" can only handle 2 drivers right now due to not much rubber being left ;) that and you hit too many cones!

[OversteerS2K]

Jim, if Aaron's bringing his "new" Pinto than you can co-drive with me on dead Hoosiers Sunday. I don't know yet whether he is or not.

Yeah, left-right-left X 100... Hard to be creative there.
The courses will be shorter, slower, and tighter. Disregard anything you've seen. They'll neither comply with SS standards ("highway speeds" of 80 are only seen in Montanta) or cord length (can't do a flying finish with only 275' of cord) so everything will change. More runs should make up for the lack of speed and the Vettes & such won't smoke the low Hp. cars.

[neurovish]

I'm gonna go hit up a construction zone Friday night and get some practice in

[w0rd]

Originally posted by OversteerS2K
The courses will be shorter, slower, and tighter.

:( I was hoping for some 3rd gear action this weekend.

[mofugga]

agreed

[PseudoRealityX]

Eric, doesn't the GS-R do like 80 in 2nd?

[krekavhts]

bastards be careful with the gsr, boston isn't that far away. btw with the hoosiers only about 65 in 2nd. also needs valve alignment so its not real strong above 7500.

[PseudoRealityX]

my engine would explode at that rpm, so i think we're good to go;)

[Leonard]

Well yeah, it spits out motor mounts at 3000 rpm... :-D

[Mars_302]

Btw is there gonna be loaner helmets out there? And I have my boss down as a guest. It is alright if it he arrives in his car so he can leave on his own right?

[mofugga]

loaner helmets are available.



i need to go take the gsr for a drive today, the extra 2500 rpm is gonna really mess me up tomorrow:lol:

[PseudoRealityX]

yeah, Eric... i went saturday instead of sunday... sorry dude, but youre just going to have to drive the GS-R by yourself.

[mofugga]

damn, i was looking forward to some pointers :(

[Loren]

Damn, that was a good time! I'd forgotten how much fun a concrete airstrip can be.

My tires suck, but I still really enjoyed it. Y'all really need to start coming to these Brooksville autocrosses.

[OversteerS2K]

That was a fun event. I know now that 11 LONG runs on concrete in takes your bad Hoosiers and makes them white and fuzzy all over...hmm. BTW, the fastest runs on cords came with the tires as cold as possible and over-pressured to avoid the edge a little. Guess Aaron spinning 720*'s didn't help them either.

I, unoficially, won SM in the time-bomb Civic too. That thing's a work-out. It's always for rent. Just see Carlos or Aaron at the next event but have them go through the gears once for you since they're not all in the right spots ;).

It was good to see some people that haven't been out to a CFR event in a while but we need a LOT more drivers there. Don't pass on concrete runs.


So, did I slow it down too much for anyone? Overall impressions (gripes)?
I never saw 3rd but was riding the limiter in 2nd which is 64-66MPH so I'd guess some cars were over 70 (Palmblad may have been 80+ in two spots).

[Loren]

Palmblad's car doesn't qualify as "Stock or Street Prepared", so it really doesn't matter how fast HE went. Or any of the other monster creations that were out there. :)

I don't think it was too fast. I bounced the rev limit in 2nd a couple times, which is about 60 in my car. You REALLY need to be concious of potential "spin zones" when designing a course for that kind of site so that you can time the release of the 2nd car appropriately. We had one good scare yesterday.

I also think that the area where there is off-course concrete rubble hiding behind weeds should be marked with a solid row of cones at the edge of the course. The flag banner was hardly visible at speed, and I can tell you from experience with a narrow site like this that people sometimes go WAY off. Grass doesn't slow you down, so once you hit it, you're going for a ride!

I've contacted some folks in Salina, KS where they have an identical site. No grass on course, and nicely trimmed grass on both sides, but otherwise the same. Trying to get some of their course designs. Someone has already sent one to me, it was one they lifted from Roger Johnson that was designe for a National Tour up in NY. I'll bring this topic up on the CFR group after I compile some more info.

[mofugga]

i was involved in the said "scare" & from my car to the other one there was about 3-4 concrete blocks separating us, each block is what 15-20ft? hell, we weren't that close at all it's just that the way it went down everyone had a bad perspective of our locations. it still had me a bit irked the rest of the day going thru that section.





plus i learned something very valuable... cold hoosiers don't grip like cold azenis:lol:

[Loren]

Originally posted by mofugga
i was involved in the said "scare" & from my car to the other one there was about 3-4 concrete blocks separating us, each block is what 15-20ft? hell, we weren't that close at all it's just that the way it went down everyone had a bad perspective of our locations. it still had me a bit irked the rest of the day going thru that section.

Yeah, that's pretty much what the workers on the radio said. It wasn't as close as it looked. But we can't overlook the possibility. It can and HAS happened on this type of site. Preaching keeping the car in control and being aware of the other car on course will help. Being liberal with reruns when car B slows or pulls off-line because car A is losing it on the other side will also help. Encourage drivers to be safe.

BTW... 80-100 feet between two cars coming AT each other at a high rate of speed and out of control isn't much. To put it into perspective, picture either of those drivers spinning out of control at 40-50 mph toward a brick wall that is 40 feet away. Only the brick wall is moving TOWARD them at a similar rate of speed, so it's twice as dangerous.

plus i learned something very valuable... cold hoosiers don't grip like cold azenis:lol:

Cold Hoosiers just don't grip. :D

[robofunc]

I was only there on Sat., but it was pretty bitchin.' Really nice site. I spun into the bush with the concrete laying just past it. Looked out my window and saw the concrete and was all like "whoa." I don't think it's as rubbly as it looked to me at first, though. Still, something to avoid.

How was the course different on Sunday?

[Loren]

Originally posted by robofunc
How was the course different on Sunday?

From what I understand, it was Saturday's "short course" run in the reverse direction. It was a hoot to drive!

[robofunc]

Cool. Anyone get any pictures from either day?

Was Palmblad's car the Mr2 with the Camry v6 stuffed in the back? That thing sounded nasty.

[Mars_302]

I took some shots after it was all over with on sunday. Couldnt do any action shots.

It was fun for me, kinda frustrating at times, but oh well. Last run felt like I was making some good time, then at last part I got confused for a second, went the wrong way, turned to correct, had too much speed, and just ran over the cones.

I cant wait for the next one though.

[Loren]

Originally posted by Mars_302
I took some shots after it was all over with on sunday. Couldnt do any action shots.

It was fun for me, kinda frustrating at times, but oh well. Last run felt like I was making some good time, then at last part I got confused for a second, went the wrong way, turned to correct, had too much speed, and just ran over the cones.

I cant wait for the next one though.

I was impressed with your last run. I was working near the finish, and was thinking "Yes! He made a clean quick run!" and then you lost it. D'oh! But for your first time out, you did well. That wasn't the easiest course to drive and as you went faster, things came up on you really fast. It was very much a "look ahead, think ahead" kind of course.

[flmcoupe]

Too bad I missed it! Still waiting on car to be ready! :( I'm definitely there next event! Sounds like a lot of fun!

Those who've been to both Brooksville and Ft. Myers, how do you compare the two? I know it's narrower but what about the grip?

[Mars_302]

http://www.tamparacing.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=3142&ppuser=9289&password=

the shots I did take

[oilleak]

Yup, great event. I liked this site more yesterday than the first time I ran it. Seems like it's getting more grippy. I guess there's been more dust on the surface than I thought and it's geting blown off. I'm wondering how hard it's going to be on the old Hoosiers though. Me, Todd, Jason (12 runs, man that hurts), and the Sheild's all had corded tires that I heard of.

Palmbalds car is the white s/c miata. Well sorted well driven car - finnished 5th at Nat's last year. I wouldn't be supprised if it does better this year, especially considering Ian will be co-driving it. 1-2 maybe?

The MR2 V6 is Jim Bledsoe's car. He was the registrar and timing chief at the event. I think it was the first event he's had the car at since finnishing the engine swap.

Can't wait for the next one. Having the St. Championship there sounds like a great idea too.

[flmcoupe]

1-2??? I don't think so! Those positions will be taken by another SC car! it's silver and no zoom zoom! :)

Any idea who's hosting the state championship this year?

[oilleak]

I thought you weren't going to Topeka this year?
If all goes well, the state championship will be cfr at brooksville.

[flmcoupe]

I'm signed up! Just waiting for the car...

[oilleak]

Well I'll be rooting for you too then. As I remember, you beat Bob at the Tour. I really want to see Ian driving that beast of a Miata though. Best of luck.
I guess it's another thread but who else is going?

[Loren]

Originally posted by oilleak
I guess it's another thread but who else is going?

It's another thread now. (http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177496)

[neurovish]

awww man...I knew I shouldn't have read through the end of this thread, now I really regret skipping out on this event. I'm gonna have to remember this for next month.