MKIII Supra

[The One and Only]

How much power can the stock Bottom end hold

[Rdline1]

on a 7m? maybe 350 safely? i dunno....

[cassio]

more... change the hg, and a few ohter things and you can make some power... over 350 for sure

look at www.7mpower.com ill be making more than 400+ when im done on reworked bottom end, but all stock parts.


*edit*
my setup is similar to this one putting down 500+ hp, when im totaly done ill dyno
http://www.7mpower.com/orian_iglesias.shtml


good luck with it,

Ian

[psifactor]

i thought with shotpeened rods it could hold close to 700hp...:dunno:

[cassio]

and some other stuff as well

http://www.7mpower.com/will_neely.shtml

will neely, sold his mkiii and went to the mkiv.

talked to a few people that rode in that car and they said it was amazing.

[hachibill]

i have personally seen a stock 87 7mgte handle over 410rwhp and over 405rwtq. stock motor, just bolt ones. and a 75 shot on top of that.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by cassio
more... change the hg, and a few ohter things and you can make some power... over 350 for sure

look at www.7mpower.com ill be making more than 400+ when im done on reworked bottom end, but all stock parts.


*edit*
my setup is similar to this one putting down 500+ hp, when im totaly done ill dyno
http://www.7mpower.com/orian_iglesias.shtml


good luck with it,

Ian

The stock bottom end will not hold that for long... You better pray to God everytime you boost hard making that much power on the stock bottom.

[cassio]

why pray when I can take it apart every other week :) i have her totaly apart to change some bearings that had the shit beat out of them by the previous owners.


ehhh 1jz soon anyway. but until then this motor will get one good dyno pull.... havent boosted over 7psi since Ive had it, and wont until i feel the time is right.

[PoppaSmurf]

450ish on stock block isnt hard to do, as long as you make sure your oil pressure is good, and your head gasket is in one piece, youll be fine

[psifactor]

Originally posted by SupraKid
The stock bottom end will not hold that for long... You better pray to God everytime you boost hard making that much power on the stock bottom.

no actually its a pretty solid bottom end. tq that hg down good have good oil pressure, and there's nothing to worry about unless your a dumb ass. Hence......no oil pressure, tunning issues, no fuel, ect..you get my drift.

[cassio]

:agreed:

[agentAndy]

my mk3 can put down 600+ on stock bottom end.
so can psi factor's.
somethings up here.........
OOOOOOOO 1JZ!
i forgot.
7m: no clue.
IAN, yyou too are going to swap?

[722ish]

did someone say supras??? anyhow, smurf, dude, if you want that HKS bov, LMK asap ;) i got it sitting here with your name on it :D

[agentAndy]

WOW!!! hks makes custom BOVs with engraved names!?!!!!!
i need to get one.

[722ish]

Originally posted by agent89
WOW!!! hks makes custom BOVs with engraved names!?!!!!!
i need to get one.


yeah, it sounds like any other HKS (dying eagle) but the custom name bov's make them unique :lol: i didnt think it would come out that way :lol:

[Kirk]

Originally posted by psifactor
no actually its a pretty solid bottom end. tq that hg down good have good oil pressure, and there's nothing to worry about unless your a dumb ass. Hence......no oil pressure, tunning issues, no fuel, ect..you get my drift. I am still waiting to see a 500+RWHP daily driven stock bottom 7M supra last longer than a couple of weeks ;)

[Orion ZyGarian]

Oh, btw Andy, after a buttload of different possibilities for my first car, I'm back to the 1JZ. I'm going to try to get an N/A 89.5+ though, it'll be plenty cheaper.

[cassio]

andy im going 1j after i get my 7m in 500+ range for a few weeks :D maybe this winter, or early spring, my business is doing well so We'll see.

[PoppaSmurf]

Originally posted by 722ish
yeah, it sounds like any other HKS (dying eagle) but the custom name bov's make them unique :lol: i didnt think it would come out that way :lol:

i swear to god, thats almost as funny as the "size of most human beings" comment :lol:

[Orion ZyGarian]

Originally posted by cassio
andy im going 1j after i get my 7m in 500+ range for a few weeks :D maybe this winter, or early spring, my business is doing well so We'll see.
Well, Andy was the first guy around here with a Mk3 1JZ, next thing you know everyone wants to do one!

Dont blame them (me) though. A high revving motor thats more reliable, almost guarenteed less mileage, more durable/stronger, more power, and probably a few extra miles to the gallon, all in a smaller motor. Funny how you'd be losing half a liter of displacement, yet gaining power. Not to mention its close enough to Mk4 2JZ for a LOT less. Except the turbos blow.

[psifactor]

Originally posted by SupraKid
I am still waiting to see a 500+RWHP daily driven stock bottom 7M supra last longer than a couple of weeks ;)

Guess you dont know of drjones...I'm not sure he's right at 500rwhp, but he's pretty close and beats the crap our of his car. There are others.......you just need to search for them.

[Kirk]

I used to talk to him all the time over the phone and have sold him quite a few parts. So yes, I do know him. ;) Last I heard he was @ 474rwhp I believe. BTW You may be familiar with a website I created and started with Tem, www.supramania.com.

[psifactor]

yeah..duh....I did hear that you created that. I recently started posting on there. its drawn a good crowd, there dosent seem to be alot of the typical ass holes that visit most forums.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Holy crap, you created that?! Great f*ing job man, that place is big!

[flubyux2]

Jonezy races his car at Milan dragway quite frequently and it has not blown up yet. a well maintained and well tuned 7M can handle 450 rwhp day in and day out.

aside from the stock HG, the pistons are the weakest link, plain and simple. there are several people who have made some big power on stock short blocks, sans pistons. the short block that im having the prepwork done right now will hold 800 HP w/o a hitch. stock rods and crank. JE pistons, pins and rings. theres other things going on in there too, but the point is, itll handle more power than most people will bother shooting for.

the 7M is quite a good motor if you get past its nuances and dont shit-can it because you have a short attention span or are a big fan of band wagons. every engine has its short comings, even the 2J... right Mark?

[Muddy]

DrJonez blew up his daily driver and is parting it out.

[flubyux2]

yea... but not his fast car. the brown turd is still up and about... recieving daily beatings.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by flubyux2
every engine has its short comings, even the 2J... right Mark? I think we all know why he had the problems he did with his motors.... not even going to get into that one.. :o

[hachibill]

i was the biggest fan of the 7m ever, that is until i got a ride in andy's mk3. i have to say for a bone stock 1j that thing hauled ass! and it still sounded like sex. i know why people hate the 7m; cause their dogs stock and have weakness issues until you take care of them. but once you get a good one the 7m can be a hell of a motor and still sounds better than any 1j/2j open down pipe. the 1j is alot of bang for the buck, but it seams that once you have one your stuck. the stock turbo's are a bottle neck, 7m, all you have to do is have a ct-26 made into a 60-1 for 200 bucks. what do you do for engine managment with the 1j? everything's in japan and exspensive. how much power will the stock ecu let you have?

another thing is getting parts. from working on sr20det's all the time has taught me that everyday things that break need to be replaced, where are you going to get them form? how much stuff from the 2j can you use? i'm asking all this because as soon as i sell my 240 i really want to get back into supra's. i'm going to build a mk3 for drifting cause thats what i'm into. once you get used to the weight a supra drifts just as good as anyother car. i'm going to go get a early 86.5 or 87 n/a hard top and either do a 7mgte or 1j. just tring to get opiions on what motor to use. since i already ahve 7m exsperience thats the way i'm leaning, but i really like the 1j and in a light weight mk3 it would be a blast.

see to get the power out of a 7m i would need for drifting i would have to do some fairly involved mods, but all i would have to do to the 1j would be bolt it in and raise the boost alittle to like 14psi or soo. will the stock turbo's live at that psi? all shit i need to know before i make up my mind.

[psifactor]

Bill currently I'm working on a 1j swap, and from my experiences.......I just rather of changed the 7m headgasket. I sure hope it will be worth it when I actually have a running car. The exaust wheels are ceramic..thats why you cannot turn the boost up anymore than 14psi. I'm just going to play with the twins for a few weeks to make sure the cars running right , then I'm just going to put a single on it and try to make some decent power.

[agentAndy]

1j bill. i dont want to have to talk to you about this again, OK!?!

kelly, take that back.

Bill,
1jz parts are not too hard to get, a few toyota dealers import them to the US. you could easly get 400whp from stock twins.
1. good size fmic
2. 272 cams
3. divorced downpipes
4. safcif you would ever go all out for ecu: stizzzaand alone.
7mturbo clutch works with 1jz, jdm 2jz injectors drop in.

[psifactor]

Andy, I really hope here in a few days my car will be running and I can take back all of those negative things. I guess hunting down the bellhousing, flywheel, 3 puck clutch, flywheel bolts, throwout bearing, ext....everything has been a little delay or problem that only caused stress. And it would have been all avoided if I just was able to get a 5 speed clip.


The one site your car is listed at also has like every freaking part number off of a 1jz that you would ever need. From what I have heard as along as you have a part number for the dealer, they should be able to get it for you.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Andy, do you know if the becauseican ddp would fit on the 1JZ?

[PoppaSmurf]

Originally posted by Orion ZyGarian
Andy, do you know if the becauseican ddp would fit on the 1JZ?


two completely different style o2 housings, no way

[Orion ZyGarian]

Originally posted by PoppaSmurf
two completely different style o2 housings, no way Fuck. Couldve sworn since they were both Mk3s they had the same exhaust...
Thanks anyways

[psifactor]

Originally posted by Orion ZyGarian
Fuck. Couldve sworn since they were both Mk3s they had the same exhaust...
Thanks anyways

Completely different engines, completely different turbo sets up, means completely different o2 housings.

[722ish]

Originally posted by flubyux2
every engine has its short comings, even the 2J... right Mark?



Oh no :o supras suck. :lol: lets see, crankwalk, spun rod bearing... motor number 3 and now it idles at 2k with the ac on and she blows some chunks into the intercooler piping :lol: metal shavings..

thats right, 2 sets of blown stock twins, oil on the stock bov, motor 1 crankwalked, and 2 spun a rod bearing. now, its door to door with a bpu auto and im pissed. :lol: oh well, anyone want a WRX? i need a single!

BTW PSIfactor, hows it going.. i tried to email ya, but i couldnt, then my comp took a shit.. i wanted to talk to you, but i couldnt

ill pm ya, and if i dont email me at turbowrx@tampabay.rr.com and ill talk to ya then

hopefully everything is going good for y'all
otherwise, take it easy, and im gonna take my broken driveshaft bolts outta here :lol: supras suck.

[Kirk]

Originally posted by 722ish
Oh no :o supras suck. :lol: lets see, crankwalk, spun rod bearing... motor number 3 and now it idles at 2k with the ac on and she blows some chunks into the intercooler piping :lol: metal shavings..

thats right, 2 sets of blown stock twins, oil on the stock bov, motor 1 crankwalked, and 2 spun a rod bearing. now, its door to door with a bpu auto and im pissed. :lol: oh well, anyone want a WRX? i need a single!

BTW PSIfactor, hows it going.. i tried to email ya, but i couldnt, then my comp took a shit.. i wanted to talk to you, but i couldnt

ill pm ya, and if i dont email me at turbowrx@tampabay.rr.com and ill talk to ya then

hopefully everything is going good for y'all
otherwise, take it easy, and im gonna take my broken driveshaft bolts outta here :lol: supras suck.

Sell me your wheels then! Saving a spot in my PM's for you asking me to buy your wheels. I'll be watiing. :D

[722ish]

Originally posted by SupraKid
Sell me your wheels then! Saving a spot in my PM's for you asking me to buy your wheels. I'll be watiing. :D


Ooh, maybe soon, im looking for a set of HRE's ive been liking lately :) i think they are the 847, im not sure, but same design as the CCW's and i can have the spokes black with a big deep polished lip :)

youre just dying for these wheels? damn, you got all that crazy stereo, they arent that expensive!!

wait, will the wheels you have on your car now fit a TT? if so, what size are they? MAYBE MAYBE we can work something out..

im not too sure i wanna get rid of them , but ive been thinking about getting something with a black spoke..

[flubyux2]

Hey mark... if you have one of your old short blocks laying around, LMK, we want one to build up and have waiting in the wings just incase something goes wrong... like... not enough HP. ;) Oh yea, look into some Kinesis rims, they are the sex... i know a guy who has a set of them on his car, black-ish center w/ polished lip...
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/463000-463999/463369_32_full.jpg

also, running 14psi on the stock 1J twins is pushing it, 13 psi is all i would run on a daily basis. the parallel twins are the shizzle... and the own sequentials easily.

im also hoping to lay ahold of some stock 2J cams for cheap... ive got some ideas :naughty:

punkass andy, i just tried to call you and you had already gone to work... what the hell is that?! you need to be at home when i have a question for you!

[Kirk]

Originally posted by 722ish
Ooh, maybe soon, im looking for a set of HRE's ive been liking lately :) i think they are the 847, im not sure, but same design as the CCW's and i can have the spokes black with a big deep polished lip :)

youre just dying for these wheels? damn, you got all that crazy stereo, they arent that expensive!!

wait, will the wheels you have on your car now fit a TT? if so, what size are they? MAYBE MAYBE we can work something out..

im not too sure i wanna get rid of them , but ive been thinking about getting something with a black spoke..

The wheels came off of a highly modded TT, so yea :) I do not know the offsets off hand... but the wheels are 18x8.5f and 18x9.5r I believe... rears have 295's on them, I am getting new tires this week... going to see if they can throw on some 305's :D

(a couple of people w/ stock TT wheels fit 315's)

I was actually going to get the same wheels you have from CCW... since I sold my blitz for a little more than what the CCW's go for with tires.. but I held off on it...found out some guy on SF was selling a set with new tires for $2400 and I got to him too late :mad: :mad: :mad: You can't tell me this doesn't look sexy:

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/9949/suprab3l1.jpg

:)

[Orion ZyGarian]

Dont know Andy then. 98% of the time hes at work. The other 1% is test driving 200k mi Mk3's whos owner is french canadian/swedish/redneck/wtf plumber who (despite given half hour notice and a previous visit) refuses to wear a shirt and has a horrible asscrack and everything...cant understand half the shit he says...

Thanks anyways Andy! ;)

How long do you plan on keeping those turbos btw? Dont know how much longer that they'll last

[722ish]

i love the ccw's on black supras :love: it looks the shit!


oh yeah, and stock parallel twins are ct12a's correct? and the ct12b is whats in the MKIV.. you should pick up a set of these as ive heard they are an easy upgrade... but hey, who gives a shit about twins when you only need 1 turbo anyhow

[Orion ZyGarian]

Yes, on the 1JZ stock paralell turbos are CT-12A's and are made of ceramic. JDM CT-12B's are too, but whoop de doo.

You cant just swap the CT-12A's for CT-12B's, theres alot involved. Theres a few writeups on SF about it; you'll need to mess with the firewall and custom exhaust and everything IIRC. Better off just going with better turbo(s)

Once/If I get a 1JZ, I plan on upgrading but staying with twins. Because twins > one

[cassio]

hey orion there's a guy selling a lightly modded mk3 turbo for ~4k.

his name is jeremie, hes a cool guy i talk to him on IM a lot havent met him in person. check out his cars specs
http://tampabaysupra.com/jeremie.htm

Ian

[agentAndy]

well the turbos are still perfect. still no shaft play. the word is that i sold my 1jz mk3 today. bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O GOD I LOVE YOU AND WILL MISS YOU WHEN I THINK OF REAL CARS!!!!! OOHH FUCK WHAT HAVE I DONE?????
no really i sold it to a friend's GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!
can you say "sexy-ay" girl pushing a 330whp 1jz powered fire red mk3? she will simply love it. i know them well and trust me she will be taken care of really well. it was a hard choice.

[cassio]

copy-paste whore! :D

[agentAndy]

lazy. the thought came to mind so..... ctrl-c........new thread.....:lol:

[Orion ZyGarian]

Originally posted by cassio
hey orion there's a guy selling a lightly modded mk3 turbo for ~4k.

his name is jeremie, hes a cool guy i talk to him on IM a lot havent met him in person. check out his cars specs
http://tampabaysupra.com/jeremie.htm

Ian

Yeah thanks, he PM'd me aboot it. Sadly, I had to turn down for a few reasons, mostly because I am a ricer :nerd:

I wanted 89+ bumper, spoiler, and taillights, no stereo, blah blah. I'm still looking into Poppa Smurfs, and I cant even completely afford his (borrowing ~$500 from mom)

[psifactor]

YOU DID WHAT????????? :o :o :o

hahahahahahha, how cool would that be the only 1jz owners in the tampa bay area are females!!!!!!!




Originally posted by agent89
well the turbos are still perfect. still no shaft play. the word is that i sold my 1jz mk3 today. bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O GOD I LOVE YOU AND WILL MISS YOU WHEN I THINK OF REAL CARS!!!!! OOHH FUCK WHAT HAVE I DONE?????
no really i sold it to a friend's GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!
can you say "sexy-ay" girl pushing a 330whp 1jz powered fire red mk3? she will simply love it. i know them well and trust me she will be taken care of really well. it was a hard choice.

[agentAndy]

right.
dont worry though, i wont be leaving the toyota section. i still call this home.

[Orion ZyGarian]

So whos the other 1JZ owner? SINFULANGEL or whoever from SF?

[psifactor]

refer to my sig.......my car should be running here eventually.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Wait....youre female?!??!! Didnt know that. Thats cool!

[722ish]

Originally posted by Orion ZyGarian
Wait....youre female?!??!! Didnt know that. Thats cool!

:lol: i never knew that either, until one day i had to ask because she said she was autocrossing with heels on! :lol: i was a little bit confused, but hey, it was a funny way to find out :lol:

plus, she's got a cool ass dog :)

Mark

[agentAndy]

and the fact that i have refered to her as "kelly" many times didnt give it away at all. if a guy is named "kelly" he would be a pussy and never even own a supra. :lol:bb

[psifactor]

come on..Kelly is a cool guy name as well;)

And closed toe shoes in the summer just dosen't workout well. No reason a good pair of sandles with a little heal cannot make the perfect driving shoe:D

Mark...my dog is the DEVIL, trust me!

[agentAndy]

grrrrrr. i just got a line on 2 perfect mk3's for 450. one is totaly taken apart and the other one has no drivetrain. oh ooooooo:lol:
i will have enough spending money to get a clip or two?! anyone intristed in buying a jza70 swapped ride with ac and ps?
that would be with full turbo back exhaust and probably wheels too. pm me if so. i am most likely be doing both cars and they will need homes with deserving owners. i really want to boost the mk3 scene, so no better way. i could e-bay them but like i said i want to kick it up a notch around here. i know how to do it and want to as well.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Haha, going into a buisness of swaping 1JZs, eh? Well I'd rather do it myself then buy one, even though they'd be done by the same person...:haha:

Naw, I'll just use you for the few problems I might have. AND WIRING.

If I cant get Poppa Smurf's car (for whatever reason, I highly doubt I wont) then maybe I'll throw some money your way towards one of the Mk3s. Hell this calls for a MEET :cool:

Plus I havent seen Andy in like a year anyways :lol:

[PoppaSmurf]

how much would you want for a basic swapped MK3?

[agentAndy]

Orion; yea bro been a while. hope you get your mk3 and start those "Turbo Dreams". no joke.

Poppa Gargamel and stinky cat friend; if you already have a car and just want the greasy work done when you(or I) get the clip(dont buy a motor set. you need alot of shit from the clip, TRUST ME!) also, you will want a clutch installed when the motor is out. dont want to fire it up and find 1/72137653 parts clutch goodness left. a good clutch is 3-4-500. rps is good and 400. os gikken is way more, so is exeddy, but both ow3n most others. dont even think the stock DP is even get life in the USA. it morphs into soda cans after trash day. the stock radiator failed after 3-4 months use. i highly recomend spending the 400 on a koyo. overheating would suck. the 1jz is strong, but there is no reason to let overheating be an issue IMO. As with all performance engines. you really need to invest about 3k on a clip and then go from there. the harness is the only real "critical" part of the swap. i would think if i was to supply the car around 5-6k. but i would make sure it was worth 5-6k as a sports car. be fast, look good, and go fast.

[PoppaSmurf]

Originally posted by agent89
Poppa Gargamel and stinky cat friend

Azrael :mad:

[agentAndy]

HAHAHA yea i forgot. its been a while.

[722ish]

Originally posted by PoppaSmurf
how much would you want for a basic swapped MK3?

More than you can afford pal :lol: HEY, do ya want this damn HK$ bov? its still chillin here, but youre name is wearing off!

[722ish]

Originally posted by PoppaSmurf
how much would you want for a basic swapped MK3?

More than you can afford pal :lol: HEY, do ya want this damn HK$ bov? its still chillin here, but youre name is wearing off! i thought i made you a screaming dying eagle of a deal! :lol: anyhow, if you dont want it im gonna put it on the supra too...

[PoppaSmurf]

Originally posted by 722ish
More than you can afford pal :lol: HEY, do ya want this damn HK$ bov? its still chillin here, but youre name is wearing off! i thought i made you a screaming dying eagle of a deal! :lol: anyhow, if you dont want it im gonna put it on the supra too...

i dont even own a turbo supra right now!!!

but...if you can find a flange, i'd like one :)

[Orion ZyGarian]

Yeah, you sold it :rolleyes: now I have to look for an Mk3 again :rolleyes:

Hey, at least I can get what I want: 89.5+, hardtop, N/A, 5psd, white (w/ or w/o white package, dont care) grey or blue cloth interior.

Someone needs to help me bribe becauseican to make a 1JZ ddp!!

[agentAndy]

why, i have someone that can do it. twin divorced Y-pipe.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Funny, I was just looking at that thread yesterday after posting about the DDP.

I guess the full divourced pipe is much better?

I just think its crazy that you can get 100 HP from a DDP

[PoppaSmurf]

breathing is the key

[agentAndy]

yea, on a 1j it is.
well i already found another car i am buying asap for myself. the wheels on it are worth every bit the price(500).

[Orion ZyGarian]

Another Mk3? Cool. I see you changed your sn, seeing as you sold your 89.

I still have a few weeks, but I know that in a few weeks the divource is guarenteed, and it'll be much faster to getting into our next house!!!*

*Moving = I can buy an Mk3*

[agentAndy]

good for you.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Thanks :D