Whats the best/ cheapest ($) turbo..

[Jake]

whats the best/ cheapest ($) complete turbo setup for a 99 civic Si ?

[Vito_Corleone]

A tornado.

[Josh]

you're a moron, do it right, spend the money. douche.

[Jake]

Originally posted by sl0 t3g
you're a moron, do it right, spend the money. douche.

woah.. wtf? im talkin brands. ill have about 1500-2000 to spend probably.

[0HP930]

Find a good used unit if you are looking to save money.

[joeyk]

best----------->

}--------------cheapest


they dont line up .

[Jake]

ok.. lemme rephrase it.. whats a good turbo i can get for a 99 Si? and how much do u think it would be for a complete setup?

[JapDanny]

Used DRAG Gen 3 setup ...

prolly near 2k with lines , turbo , IC , most of what you need

[Jake]

Originally posted by JapDanny
Used DRAG Gen 3 setup ...

prolly near 2k with lines , turbo , IC , most of what you need

what do u think installation costs would be?

[Punkinterviews]

First off you put 2 words in a sentence that don't belong together.....Best and cheap. If you want the best you have the spend the money, if you want a cheap one, good luck having it last. I'd suggest putting one together yourself.

[99B16Si]

it really depends on how much power u wanna make. it i were to pick one for my car itd be the garrett gt35e and theyre like $1000

[Jake]

Originally posted by 99B16Si
it really depends on how much power u wanna make. it i were to pick one for my car itd be the garrett gt35e and theyre like $1000

you've got a PM

[FL_civic_rider]

I forget where i saw it, but it really is true...


Cheap and fast won't be reliable
Reliable and fast won't be cheap
and cheap and reliable won't be fast

[Jake]

Originally posted by FL_civic_rider
I forget where i saw it, but it really is true...


Cheap and fast won't be reliable
Reliable and fast won't be cheap
and cheap and reliable won't be fast

so basically.. i shouldnt get a turbo if i dont have $$$ money to burn..

[FL_civic_rider]

no not true, but don't expect to get the best turbo for the cheapest price cause it's not gona happe.

the more you spend the better it'll be.

I'm only spending around 1200 for my turbo set up but it's a middle of the line setup. not the best, not the worst.

like they say, you get what you pay for.

[Jake]

Originally posted by FL_civic_rider
no not true, but don't expect to get the best turbo for the cheapest price cause it's not gona happe.

the more you spend the better it'll be.

I'm only spending around 1200 for my turbo set up but it's a middle of the line setup. not the best, not the worst.

like they say, you get what you pay for.

ive been askin a few friends about gettin a turbo and stuff, and all of them say that turbo is just one huge problem, and my car would be in the shop all the time etc etc., so i dont know what to do... hmm

[kender]

it's only in the shop all the time because you got the cheapest or didn't use your head. think cautious. if the stock motor can run 12psi all day long for years with no problem then run 10-12 but no more. if you want your motor to handle 20psi don't build it to handle 22psi build it to 30+. use a boost controller with limiters ( blitz sbc id-lll ). use an engine management system that will cut your rpms if boost is above a certain point (hondata). use ebay to get the lowest ( not cheapest ) price on the best products for example tial 38mm wastegate for $180 brand new or hks ssqv bov $130.

again tune the car right, use reliable parts, leave a wide margin for safety, know everything you can about what the parts are suppossed to do and remember an ounce of prevention is worth... not havng having to say your car in the fucking shop AGAIN.

[Jake]

thanks kendel, that little bit should help me quite a bit, im still debating if u wanna get a turbo or not, like if i just wanted to do a few simple bolt ons, and save alot of money or not

[czech09]

get a different car - one that was meant to be turboed such as a dsm - forget turboing hondas it's not worth it

[Cronic]

Precision, SC61. best turbo IMHO you can get for a small displacment engine.

[kender]

Originally posted by czech09
get a different car - one that was meant to be turboed such as a dsm - forget turboing hondas it's not worth it


sounds like someone got his ass handed to him by a rice burnin 4 banger.

domestic= gas guzzling, overweight, low hp per liter, piece of redneck backyard wrench bending, and too blind to learn how things should be done from imports.

Import= economical, less weight to lug around, makes the most with as little as possible, expertly engineered, and been showing the domestic guys how to run a 10 sec 1/4 on half the cylinders for years.


argue domestics have bigger engines and more torque.....thats great since you need it to get you 3000lbs plus pile to move.

2004 mustang gt 3379lbs 260hp and 17/25 mpg ( city/hwy )
15.1 1/4

go back to 1988 and travel to japan to see the 88 crx si approx 2000 lbs 160hp 30/37 ( approx )
14.1 1/4

I have an 88 crx si with jdm swap, a few bolt ons and I run petal to the floor, still get 28 mpg in city.

turbo a honda...... still get more mpg than any domestic.... and make a corvette cry for his mommy



domestics :monkpee:

[Jake]

hahaha nice one kender. i dont hate domestics i just like imports better. ive seen some crazy ass import cars, then also, i have seen some crazier domestics, but i still like imports better.

[kender]

I don't hate domestics either, in fact I am trying to get my dad to put money into an 80 el camino and swap the stock v-6 to a 350 v8 from a camaro. I have yet to see a substitute for being able to ride a wheelie for the first 1/4 of the 1320 ( an rare thing in an import ) and the rumble of a gas guzzling 3 gallons per mile :) engine is awsome..... but when you can pass everything but the corner gas station it becomes a trailer queen.

but the domestic market has yet to show a car that will drive from home to the track, run 10's all day, drive home, go to work the next couple of days and then finally hit the gas station.

why do racers take all the shit out of their cars and try for gobs of hp..... because the more horses and less weight means the fastest times, well the hp/weight ratio on imports is already good and when you add a turbo and build the engine you can keep all you creature comforts like a/c and a slammin system ( including the ps2 ). and the best is when you have all of that for less $$$ than the fool in his mustang cobra.

oh and when the dude in the porche looks over at you and can't seem to leave you and your 95 hatch in the dust, be sure he sees that your in a HONDA

[Jake]

Originally posted by kender
oh and when the dude in the porche looks over at you and can't seem to leave you and your 95 hatch in the dust, be sure he sees that your in a HONDA

ive always found it funny that kids in little hondas that cost maybe 20k at the MOST fully upgraded can beat 100grand cars like nothing. i have a video of a civic hybrid turbo racing a lamborghini and KEEPING UP with it. now thats pretty crazy if u ask me..

[Skittle]

Originally posted by v0lcom27
ive always found it funny that kids in little hondas that cost maybe 20k at the MOST fully upgraded can beat 100grand cars like nothing. i have a video of a civic hybrid turbo racing a lamborghini and KEEPING UP with it. now thats pretty crazy if u ask me..

Lamborghinis..vipers...ferraris have all seen Hondas ass atleast twice in there lifetimes...Srt-4 badges will be added soon ;-)

[F4A22]

get a different car - one that was meant to be turboed such as a dsm - forget turboing hondas it's not worth it+2

Kender sounds like u dont know what a dsm is?Btw u can turbo a na car but it will have its limits.I have done all three,turboed a na car,had a oem turboed car,and a pretty decent na domestic car.And please dont say ls1's and certain domestics arent fast cuz almost all the domestics on here are not to play with.

[Romeyo07]

close-minded ricers.

you MUST respect domestic. No if's, and's or but's. Forget about economical advantages, we're talking power. I love my imports, but I can guarantee that you'll change your mind on how "horrible" domestics are when you drive a real one.

I'd like to thank that special little 500hp 68 Camaro SS. Without you, I'd be just as naive as this guy.

Pretty much if you want power, torque, and love to brag about it, get a domestic. If you hate the people who brag about the power and torque of a domestic, get an import and build the fuck out of it to shut him up. Either way, you choose.

[Solar Specialist]

I'd agree with the get a DSM or something turbo stock comment. If you don't have money AND a 2nd car, FI hondas aren't exactly ideal. I'd say you need at least a 2nd car though for any car that you are going to push.


You could get a 1g for around $2000 and have it in the 12s for pretty damn cheap if thats all you want.

[Jake]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
I'd agree with the get a DSM or something turbo stock comment. If you don't have money AND a 2nd car, FI hondas aren't exactly ideal. I'd say you need at least a 2nd car though for any car that you are going to push.


You could get a 1g for around $2000 and have it in the 12s for pretty damn cheap if thats all you want.

its going to be my daily driver. so i should keep it stock then? or at least a couple bolt ons...

[FlatFour]

it's all about how much $$$ you have really. Figure out how much you are willing to spend and talk with some shops like secret services on what to expect RELIABLY with that much dough. If you are unimpressed than use your $$$ elsewhere. It's when people don't spend the money to do shit right the first time, that you start having problems and wish you had a second ride.

[kender]

Originally posted by Romeyo07
close-minded ricers.



I'd like to thank that special little 500hp 68 Camaro SS. Without you, I'd be just as naive as this guy.




500hp on almost any car is nice but would you rather have 500hp on a 3300lbs mustang or on a 1800lbs crx ???

and forget about fuel economy.....BULLSHIT...... @ $2.10 a MFing gallon that's one of the first things to not forget. If you got the money to burn then watching you fuel gauge drop as fast as your speedo goes up is kinda entertaining but for the rest of us I still like 25+ mpg on a turboed car.

turbo anything as long as it'll take it... hell if I could find one small enough I'd put it on my riding lawn mower :lol: :D

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by kender
turbo anything as long as it'll take it... hell if I could find one small enough I'd put it on my riding lawn mower :lol: :D


Lol, thats like me. I want one of those new honda turbo waverunners just so I can put a boost controller and boost gauge and add a little fuel and see what they can do :D

[kender]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Lol, thats like me. I want one of those new honda turbo waverunners just so I can put a boost controller and boost gauge and add a little fuel and see what they can do :D


:crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack:

OH HELL YEAH

check this out http://www.pwctexas.us/s2003hondas.html

it looks like a small d series. can we say sleeves and a bottom end then crank the boost

200+hp waverunner sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[IdrvaAltima]

Originally posted by theebluecrx
get a different car - one that was meant to be turboed such as a dsm - forget turboing hondas it's not worth it+2

Kender sounds like u dont know what a dsm is?Btw u can turbo a na car but it will have its limits.I have done all three,turboed a na car,had a oem turboed car,and a pretty decent na domestic car.And please dont say ls1's and certain domestics arent fast cuz almost all the domestics on here are not to play with.

Diamond Star Motors, Mitsu. :D

[kender]

whats the difference between a oem turbo car and a na car that you add the turbo to???? the fact that the factory installed the turbo!

given that the factory installed and designed the system that must mean it is the best. sure! can we say FORD FOCUS? just because the factory designed it doesn't mean it is the best or event good, hell in the case of the focus it doesn't say shit for the factory except they can produce a low budget rolling mechanical malfunction.

just becaus the factory but a turbo on it doesn't say a damn thing.

the dodge srt-4, I am not impressed. a 2.4ltr turbo'd car with 230hp at the crank. a 2.4 ltr should have 230 hp at the crank wiht out the turbo. this means the srt has about 160hp without the turbo ( given the standard 7psi of boost ).. 160hp na on a 2.4 ltr???? mopar needs to go back to the drawing board.

honda b16 is 160hp na on a 1.6 ltr engine add 7lbs of boost and you wil be at the 230 crank hp that the srt has, you will be doing it on a 1.6ltr and you won't be stuck with the srt's 22/mpg city/hwy. which I am sure is driving conservatively. hell I get 30+mpg on my b16 in the city when I drive conservatively and its 15 years old.

I am also putting together my own turbo kit that will see about 250-260whp at 10psi with stock internalls. I will run a vacume controlled boost limiter and an ignition controlled boost limiter for safety, what happens to a oem turbo if the wastegate malfunctions and doesn't open BOOM. game over your screwed. time to buy a new engine. now how good is oem?

this turbo is going on my daily driver and by doing the work in stages you work on the car on the weekends and still have it to drive to work during the week. yes it would be easier to have a 2nd car while you work on your daily driver so if you can afford the extra bucks for a beater that you will sell after the turbo is on then cool. otherwise build in stages. i.e. upgrade fuel pump, add fuel pressure sensor, fuel filter upgrade, and fpr (if needed ) one weekend: add oil pressure and temp, boost gauge, boost controller, turbo timer, egt gauge, and fmu if it is a piggyback or you are tuning it, if hondata then I would buy an extra ecu off ebay have hondata installed on the xtra ecu then you can just swap ecu's at the last second before you drive to the tuning shop,the next:

then the final weekend before you install the turbo I would dry fit everything to make sure there aren't any clearance issues and check that all the small parts are there. I would double check all the other stuff up to this point to make sure it is working and programmed I.E. the turbo timer and boost controller, since this may not take all weekend you can relax with the extra time. call the tuning shop and setup an appointment for tuning the engine for after the turbo install. thefinal weekend tap the oil pan attach the oil feed, thread in the egt sensor, bolt up the turbo, put on the i/c plumbing, hook up vacum lines for the wastegate and boostcontroller, finish up the odds and ends, and get it tuned.

do your research, know what you need and want, understand you setup and your engine, and if you don't have time to do it right the first time don't do it wait till later and do it right.

people have problems with there projects when they use cheap and inferior parts, don't get enough info, and don't buil a margin for error. I have said it befor and I'll say it again..... if you want to run 20psi into your engine don't build it to handle 22psi you waiting for disaster, build it for 30+psi and let it have a vacation while you run 20psi. sure it's a little more money but the extra cost is way less than doing the entire project over.

honda's aren't worth tuboing?????? puff puff give :)

250 whp, 28+ mpg, 13's in the 1/4 easy, complete audio video system, lower cost than any stock car running the same 1/4 times, not worth it..... on what planet?

the domestics on here may not be for playing with. 12 seconds is 12 seconds regardless of what your in, the idea is to do it better. your 12's equals a domestic gas guzzler where as import 12 sec is still 25+ mpg. and saying a na car has its limitsif you turbo it...what? I said it earlier a oem turbo car is just the factory jackasses puting in the work for you. as soon as you take a na car with its "limits" and put a turbo on it you now have a turbo car and your "limits" are gone. the oem car is limited by the same things, boost capability of the engine, fuel management, turbo size, as the na car. since factory boost is normally 6-7psi the engine is built to handle that and more. the honda b16 can run 6-7psi all day with no problem just the same. sleeve the block and build the bottom end and both engines will handle enogh boost to satisfy most of us here. oem boost or your boost? who does it better is up to how well YOU put it together.

turbo anything.... just do it right.

[F4A22]

Dude what kinda stuff u on?I want some too.

[Jake]

Originally posted by theebluecrx
Dude what kinda stuff u on?I want some too.

+1

u wrote a freakin story man haha

[FlatFour]

i agree that you can boost anything, but i think some of the things mentioned just crossed the line. A factory turbocharged car is nothing more than an NA factory car with a turbo kit? That's hardly the case. Although i'm a wrx owner i've got to give props to that srt-4 you were dissin. The srt-4 motor is built extremely well and has the potential to be the best 4 cylinder motor once it gets a couple years of experience under its buckle. Honda motors have any excellent aftermarket and are pretty simple to work on and can be built up to be fuckin nasty. (just look at dave's [99b16si] numbers) However, no stock bottom end b16 turbo with bolt-ons is going to pull numbers like a factory turbocharged car with bolt-ons, for the sole purpose that the factory turbo'd bottom end is far more stout and will handle way more load.
Also, you can't take a factory turbocharged car (or any car with low compression) and make assumptions on how much power it makes without its turbo. You are comparing a high compression motor (B16) with a low compression motor on the basis of NA. I'm sure if you put high compression pistons in that str-4 motor, it would make more than 160hp. When you go turbo for raw power, you want low compresssion. Low compression pistons are dogs if you are running NA. That's just common sense.

[FlatFour]

As for the import vs domestic argument, they both have their advantages and its all preference. Domestic cars have half the aftermarket that imports do, which makes them all look the fuggen same. Their mpg blows as well as their handling. But when it comes to power there really isn't much of a comparison. The motors are like 3 times the size and the potential is obvious.
Import owners are just interested in a more all around car. They want their cars to look different, handle well, get good gas mileage, and lay down some good power numbers. Most domestic owners are just in it for the muscle. European cars are just like imports x2 but you gotta have lots of $$$.
That's why i love my import with european style motor :D

[China]

my take:

domestic vs. import:
i have much respect for the domestics. although i am a nissan / import enthusiast, there is no way that i can over see the amount of power that some of these v's produce now-a-days. ford, dodge, and gmc are great car companies. efficient or not, these companies make powerful cars. indy cars are probably less efficient than 90% of the cars out there, how come no one complains about the amount of power that comes from that and how un-economic it is?

srt-4:
although it is a quick car for a relatevly low amount of cash, the car is powered by MITSUBISHI. sure it is all mopar and what not but the turbo is a mitsubishi turbo designed to spin in reverse in refrence to the regular mitsubishi turbos. the 2.0 engine is engineered to exist with the turbo and is engineered well. without the mitsubishi turbo, however, the engine would be crap.

domestics:
companies like gmc had such a big issue with the 4wheel steering system that they have just recently engaged onto. the idea is great and all, but nissan and honda have been doing the 4wheel steering on early 240's and preludes as well as other companies.

turbos:
it comes down to compression. there are pleanty of na cars that get boosted and have a significient amount of horse power gain. people turbo charge the integra gs-r engines and they are powerful and economical to some degree. just because a factory turbocharges the engine, i believe, does not make it any more or less road worthy. it is all about customizing cars and what not. i would rather wait in line and see a twin turbo integra, than wait in the same line to see a eclipse gst, stock. turbos are efficient and economical in most aspects. if you want to turbo charge a go-ped, go for it. ill be waiting in line to see it:D high compression is for na engine and low compression is for the turbo engines. if someone were to rebuild their engine (someone = someone who knows what they are doing) with different pistons and bore and stroke (to rebuild a na engine for a turbo application), that in itself should make the car more respectable than any stock turbocharged car, left stock that is.

advice:
i need to stay on topic and get down off my soap box. if i were you, id pick a turbo that you want. do you want high speeds (larger turbos) that will take a while to spool up, or would you rather perfer a quicker spool time (smaller turbo) which has quick acceleration but the high end speed wont be as much? it is all about the balance. you need to sacrifice high end speed or low end acceleration (turbo lag). keep in mind that the larger turbos will run you a considerable amount of money as well. after you pick which turbo you want to go with, you should pick out which type in intercooler, fuel management, wastegate, bov, and all that other stuff. it is obvious that if you go with a smaller turbo, the horse power gains wont be as much, but you wont have to spend the extra cash on the extra large fuel pump, or other accessories. i HIGHLY recomend that you go about piecing together your own turbo system rather than buying a complete system from some website. FIGHT THE MAN!! good luck and keep it custom;)

china

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by kender
honda's aren't worth tuboing?????? puff puff give :)

250 whp, 28+ mpg, 13's in the 1/4 easy, complete audio video system, lower cost than any stock car running the same 1/4 times, not worth it..... on what planet?


Don't take this personal, but exactly do you think it costs to get 250whp in a honda? I can take a DSM that I can buy for about $1500 and get in 12s for I'm sure $1500 more or less (a true DSM guy can verify this, or correct me if my numbers aren't exactly on). And how much boost are you going to run on a stock b16? That is where the turbo stock comes in to play. Not "having" to tear the block apart in order to have forced induction.

[China]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Don't take this personal, but exactly do you think it costs to get 250whp in a honda? I can take a DSM that I can buy for about $1500 and get in 12s for I'm sure $1500 more or less (a true DSM guy can verify this, or correct me if my numbers aren't exactly on). And how much boost are you going to run on a stock b16? That is where the turbo stock comes in to play. Not "having" to tear the block apart in order to have forced induction.

on a h22 or a b18 im sure you can get that kind of power for about the same price. the mitsubishi's are mostly 2.0 dohc or the vr4 that is a 3.0. when you think honda dont automatically think of the b16, the ls engines and even the b20 engines are quality.
if you have a person who knows what he/she is doing, you will be able to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water.


china

[kender]

Originally posted by FlatFour
You are comparing a high compression motor (B16) with a low compression motor on the basis of NA. I'm sure if you put high compression pistons in that str-4 motor, it would make more than 160hp. When you go turbo for raw power, you want low compresssion. Low compression pistons are dogs if you are running NA. That's just common sense.


point taken I totally glazed over that fact and I checked the srt-4 has a compression ratio of 8.1:1 so yes if it had 10.2:1 na who knows what it would do? but even if you could match both engines compression and boost, make both bottom ends to hold the boost, and lighten the srt-4 to about 2000lbs you still have a big problem.................your driving a NEON:o :o :o :o

I agree its a huge bag when you can say you are running 700hp in your camaro. but to me its an even bigger brag when you can say you run 500hp in your hatchback, on half the engine, twice the fuel economy, and beat the camaro in the 1/4.

I agree that imports are the best jack of all trades vehicles and as soon as the domestic market realizes that more cylinders and bigger engines aren't the best way to go then maybe they will deserve som props but until then Imports can do everything domestics do but better and then some.


back on topic though; figure out what you want, if its your daily driver I would stay with a smaller quick spooling turbo, lets face any compact car that can put out 300whp on the street is gonna be fun to drive and give the high dollar cars a run for their money.

[Jake]

Originally posted by kender
back on topic though; figure out what you want, if its your daily driver I would stay with a smaller quick spooling turbo, lets face any compact car that can put out 300whp on the street is gonna be fun to drive and give the high dollar cars a run for their money.

example of a smaller quick spooling turbo?

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by China
on a h22 or a b18 im sure you can get that kind of power for about the same price. the mitsubishi's are mostly 2.0 dohc or the vr4 that is a 3.0. when you think honda dont automatically think of the b16, the ls engines and even the b20 engines are quality.
if you have a person who knows what he/she is doing, you will be able to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water.


china


Oh I know there are other honda engines that are larger and put out better numbers. He was just speaking of a b16.

And about being about to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water; my point was that it wouldn't be stock. It will be running in the 12s with around $3000 into the car total. And not gutted. I just haven't seen any honda do that without a built engine and/or a good deal more money put into it. No knocking on hondas or any other make (being I am using DSM's as my example and never owned one) or anything. I just am going to stick with the my statement that hondas are not ideal for FI IMO.

[Cronic]

This is turning into a flame war. Get back on topic.

[China]

Originally posted by Cronic
This is turning into a flame war. Get back on topic.

+1
smaller turbo, t25 or like a garrett t3. larget turbo applications would include the big trim big housing turbos like the turbonetics t-66 and what not.

china

[China]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Oh I know there are other honda engines that are larger and put out better numbers. He was just speaking of a b16.

And about being about to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water; my point was that it wouldn't be stock. It will be running in the 12s with around $3000 into the car total. And not gutted. I just haven't seen any honda do that without a built engine and/or a good deal more money put into it. No knocking on hondas or any other make (being I am using DSM's as my example and never owned one) or anything. I just am going to stick with the my statement that hondas are not ideal for FI IMO.

the b16 is still capable of getting awesome horsepower in my eyes. i didnt use your quote as an insult in any way and if i came across in that manner i apologize. i was just making the statement that people say honda and the first thing to come to mind is the b16 engines. there are pleanty of civics that run the b18 ls integra engines and i have seen a couple with jdm engines that ride out. my buddy has a 3kgtvr4 and i absolutely adore it. the thing is a beast. much love for all of the imports and the statement that i would like to stay with is: "turbo charge anything that you want, just dont cut any corners"

china

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by China
"turbo charge anything that you want, just dont cut any corners"


I couldn't agree more. My point was just that there are alot easier/cheaper things to turbo besides a Honda or any stock NA vehicle for the most part.

And about the flame comment, I think we're doing pretty damn good and being respectful unless I missed something.

[kender]

Originally posted by China
"turbo charge anything that you want, just dont cut any corners"

china


+1 gazillion

and for the 250hp b16 that is stock bottom end, running 10psi, skunk2 intake ( cause stock blows ) and stock gsr cams, t3/t4 turbo, hondata.

no flame war here just puttin up info that we know and learnin a bit about somethings we don't, while at the same time tryin to keep another boost junkie from blowin his ride. its threads like these that have the most info.

[FlatFour]

Originally posted by China
on a h22 or a b18 im sure you can get that kind of power for about the same price. the mitsubishi's are mostly 2.0 dohc or the vr4 that is a 3.0. when you think honda dont automatically think of the b16, the ls engines and even the b20 engines are quality.
if you have a person who knows what he/she is doing, you will be able to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water.
china

I don't wanna go off topic again, but i've still gotta disagree with this post. First off, I thought h22's and b20's were both not good bottom-ends for boost applications? Second, the most boost you will ever run on a stock bottom end honda reliably would prob be 12psi. A factory-turbocharged dsm bottom-end will prob hold 20+. Even with the higher compression on the stock honda pistons, i don't see a comparison. I think i've heard of dsm's breaking into the 11's on the stock turbo, this is just an impossible feat for a stock honda bottom-end.

As for the neon comment, :lol: , i can't agree with you more, but i was just talking about what was under the hood. Mitsubishi, Mopar, whatever the hell that thing is, its impressive.

Back on topic - Volcom, just because you don't drive a factory-turbocharged car like we've been discussing, doesn't mean your car won't be plenty fast and reliable with a turbo setup on your stock motor. It's just that once you have your turbo setup and a year goes by and the thrill starts to fade and you want more power, you are gonna have to take that baby apart and start a huge upgrading project, whereas the factory-turbo owner, just needs to change some bolt-ons and he's seeing more power. In short, the upgrade path is alot simpler for the factory-turbo car.

[Jake]

damn, i wish i wasnt poor :( im probly gettin an Si, and i wanna make it fast, but no $$$$$$

[China]

Originally posted by FlatFour
I don't wanna go off topic again, but i've still gotta disagree with this post. First off, I thought h22's and b20's were both not good bottom-ends for boost applications? Second, the most boost you will ever run on a stock bottom end honda reliably would prob be 12psi. A factory-turbocharged dsm bottom-end will prob hold 20+. Even with the higher compression on the stock honda pistons, i don't see a comparison. I think i've heard of dsm's breaking into the 11's on the stock turbo, this is just an impossible feat for a stock honda bottom-end.

As for the neon comment, :lol: , i can't agree with you more, but i was just talking about what was under the hood. Mitsubishi, Mopar, whatever the hell that thing is, its impressive.

Back on topic - Volcom, just because you don't drive a factory-turbocharged car like we've been discussing, doesn't mean your car won't be plenty fast and reliable with a turbo setup on your stock motor. It's just that once you have your turbo setup and a year goes by and the thrill starts to fade and you want more power, you are gonna have to take that baby apart and start a huge upgrading project, whereas the factory-turbo owner, just needs to change some bolt-ons and he's seeing more power. In short, the upgrade path is alot simpler for the factory-turbo car.

then i guess we will have to agree to disagree then;)


china

[kender]

Originally posted by FlatFour


Back on topic - Volcom, just because you don't drive a factory-turbocharged car like we've been discussing, doesn't mean your car won't be plenty fast and reliable with a turbo setup on your stock motor. It's just that once you have your turbo setup and a year goes by and the thrill starts to fade and you want more power, you are gonna have to take that baby apart and start a huge upgrading project, whereas the factory-turbo owner, just needs to change some bolt-ons and he's seeing more power. In short, the upgrade path is alot simpler for the factory-turbo car.

as much as i don't want to admit a down side to any honda I'd have to agree with this.

I am in the same situation stock b16 and putting together a turbo kit with the right parts. and I know the need fpr speed will increase later but thats why I plan on keeping my current motor with stock bottom end and I will stand build a different b16 block. this way I will keep a daily driver and still be able to work on my car, and in the end I'll have one hell of an engine that is a straight swap out when its all ready:D :D :D

yes money is an issue but don't cut corners it is cheaper to do it right the first time. I could've had my turbo on a while ago if I went cheap but I am going for top quality where it counts and budget quality where it doesn't. so I am stiol a few months from getting it all, but when its done I won't worry about a thing except speeding tickets.:lol:

[czech09]

spend the $$$ if you're going turbo don't slap some shit together - if you do it'll back fire @ you later

[Punkinterviews]

Just be smart and buy my supercharger

[420aTurbo]

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2004 mustang gt 3379lbs 260hp and 17/25 mpg ( city/hwy )
15.1 1/4

Where are you getting these numbers from?



:dunno:

[420aTurbo]

" agree its a huge bag when you can say you are running 700hp in your camaro. but to me its an even bigger brag when you can say you run 500hp in your hatchback, on half the engine, twice the fuel economy, and beat the camaro in the 1/4." -Kender

I highly doubt a 500 hp anything is going to get anywhere close to decent let anlone good gas mileage.

[kender]

Its called a boost controller :)

[King_Of_Spades]

aside from the E-pissing match thats gone on in here I cant see where the actualquestion was answered. Volcom there are some people in here who actually do have turbo and will help you with what you need all you have to do is ask them. Look in the for sale forums and you may find a turbo setup for sale. If not research turbo manufacters, there are alot of bolt on kits especially for the Si Civic's. Everyone seems to agree on 1 thing and I will concur on that, do it right the first time! If you wanna do a daily driver that has a little pep go wih a simple setup that is practicul but still puts down the ponies. Just be smart about ti and dont rush. The first time is the right way to do it!

[Jordan Y.]

There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. Domestics don't have aftermarket support? Where did you get that information- have you ever even opened a domestic magazine or ventured into the ford/gm forums on this very website? Honda NA engines are just as suited for boost as factory turbo engines? You essentially have to completely change every last component in the engine for a far stronger aftermarket unit to make a naturally aspirated engine that was never meant to see positive manifold pressure live with more than ~10 psi. Stock 4G63's, sr20's, 3sgte's, and whatever the hell they call the skittle engine- these are engines that can take 500+ whp in stock form. I've twisted the boost controller a bit too much, taken it out on a test run, and accidentally maxxed my 14b at 22 psi before backing off without any damage to the engine- thanks to an engine that was overbuilt from the factory and several layers of monitoring and protection built into the ecu's code- protection that an NA car won't have.

I've seen some very impressive turbo Hondas run at the track, but the amount of money dumped into the buildup could have been better spent on a factory turbo four cylinder car, or hell, why not a domestic? If the people bashing domestics had ever been to the track (which I doubt), they'd be shocked to see so many overweight, low-tech domestics running 12's, 11's, 10's, and even 9's, while only a select few 4 cylinders run faster than 13's. Single turbo fox bodies are putting down mid-400 whp numbers on stock blocks without breaking a sweat- how's that for an NA engine going turbo? Put the same effort into building an engine for that fox that you'd put into building a turbo-prepped b-series and you'll have 700 hp and be in the 9's.