SunRiders Primus Track Event - 6/12/2004

[Loren]

Registration for the next track event is now open! Entry is strictly limited to 42 drivers with 10 of those positions being held for MINI drivers, so be sure to get your entry in early!

What: SunRiders Entry Level Track Driving School

When: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:00 am - 6:00 pm.

Where: Primus Racing test track at 10101 US Highway 41 North in Palmetto, FL. Located about a mile or so North of I-275 on the West side of US 41. Look for the cell tower.

Read the Event Info (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/PDFs/PrimusSchoolInfo.pdf), it will answer almost every imaginable question!

[SlowerThanYou]

can I pick up the required k&k insurance waver at the may 9 autocross?

[Loren]

Originally posted by mikecivichb
can I pick up the required k&k insurance waver at the may 9 autocross?
Yes. Same goes for any other minors who wish to participate. You'll either need to bring a parent with you to the track, or grab a waiver form at the event prior to have them sign. Driver requirements are same as for our autocrosses, you must be a fully licensed driver.

Edit: FYI, the autox is May 8th. If you show up on the 9th, there will probably be a motorcycle class going on.

[4wdFury]

I think I'll try my hand at a track day.

[Nole99]

The check is in the mail...
btw
~I am thinking about getting a micron lap timer in the near future for sebring. Is this OK for Primus as well?

[Loren]

Originally posted by Nole99
The check is in the mail...
btw
~I am thinking about getting a micron lap timer in the near future for sebring. Is this OK for Primus as well?
Noooooo. As long as the events are insured as "driving schools", no timing is permitted.

And our insurance company is a pain. To do anything beyond what they call an "entry level driving school", EVERY car has to have a roll bar. So, unless we find other insurance (which we may), we're stuck with the drivers school format. No competition and no times.

Sorry, man... that's where we're at right now.

[Nole99]

That's cool...it's just as fun without it!
Are the same instructors attending? They were great last time!
Scott

[Loren]

Originally posted by Nole99
Are the same instructors attending? They were great last time!

We should have many of the same instructors, and others of at least the same level.

[g-50Cab]

Will you send out an email to the instructors seperately? I'd like to volunteer to be part of the instructing/organizing/staging committee if needed.

[Loren]

Originally posted by g-50Cab
Will you send out an email to the instructors seperately? I'd like to volunteer to be part of the instructing/organizing/staging committee if needed.
Nah, that would make too much sense!

I dropped a note on the SunRiders Autocross list a while ago, here's what I said:
Just a quick note to our instructors. If you were an instructor during the first Primus event, you are invited to be an instructor at this event. We'll only need 7 instructors, so let me know if you want to be one. If I have to pick and choose, I'll pick the most experienced instructors first. (the rest of you will just have to drive... how sad for you!)

There ya go!

FYI, you're one of the better instructors. Plenty of experience, good at instructing and gave good feedback to the drivers during and after the event. If you would like to instruct again, we'd love to have you.

[neurovish]

speaking of emails, did you ever come to your senses about sending out driving evaluations from the last event or is that something you still plan to do?

[Loren]

Originally posted by neurovish
speaking of emails, did you ever come to your senses about sending out driving evaluations from the last event or is that something you still plan to do?
Did that a long, long time ago. If you didn't get yours, it probably means I couldn't read your email address on the form. There were several that I had to guess at. I don't remember yours bouncing, though.

Send me an email and I'll reply with the relevant info.

[neurovish]

Originally posted by Loren
Did that a long, long time ago. If you didn't get yours, it probably means I couldn't read your email address on the form. There were several that I had to guess at. I don't remember yours bouncing, though.

Send me an email and I'll reply with the relevant info.

Ok, email sent.

[Bill]

I'll definately be there.

[g-50Cab]

Originally posted by Bill
I'll definately be there.

Bill - maybe we need to exorcise your car first - sacrafice some chickens or something along that order...

[SlowerThanYou]

You said that every car needs a role bar. Where can I get one for a 1989 honda civic hb? And how much am I looking at spending. Thanks

[Loren]

Originally posted by neurovish
Ok, email sent.
Did you get the eval email? The email address I originally used was the same one you sent me yesterday. If it didn't go through... something is wrong somewhere.

[Loren]

Originally posted by mikecivichb
You said that every car needs a role bar. Where can I get one for a 1989 honda civic hb? And how much am I looking at spending. Thanks
No, that's not what I said at all. *IF* we stay with our present insurance company and want to progress beyond "drivers school" events, THEN every car will be required to have a roll bar.

Read the event info packet. All of the actual requirements for this event are in there.

[Bill]

Originally posted by g-50Cab
Bill - maybe we need to exorcise your car first - sacrafice some chickens or something along that order...

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm all for it. Perhaps afterwards we could bread and fry them?

[Loren]

Originally posted by Bill
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm all for it. Perhaps afterwards we could bread and fry them?
Waste not / want not... or something like that.

Speaking of food, no promises, but it sounds like Ferman MINI (our new sponsor) is trying to arrange to bring lunch out to the track for us. Cool, huh?

[g-50Cab]

Originally posted by Loren
FYI, you're one of the better instructors. Plenty of experience, good at instructing and gave good feedback to the drivers during and after the event. If you would like to instruct again, we'd love to have you.

Well thank you Loren. I had some good students and the track really rewarded those that drove a good line. I'd be interested in doing it again - will be going back to back again? :throwup:

Cool on the food.

[Loren]

Originally posted by g-50Cab
Well thank you Loren. I had some good students and the track really rewarded those that drove a good line. I'd be interested in doing it again - will be going back to back again? :throwup:

Nah. Check out the schedule in the packet. Instructors should be only working or driving every OTHER session. With the advanced and intermediate groups not really requiring instructors, the schedule uses them in-between the instructed beginner sessions.

[Loren]

Bump.

Entries are coming in much quicker than they did for the first event. Be sure to get yours in early!

[neurovish]

Originally posted by Loren
Did you get the eval email? The email address I originally used was the same one you sent me yesterday. If it didn't go through... something is wrong somewhere.

Yes I did, thanks...I usually only check that email address once or twice a week, so when I do I've got like 50 spam messages, so I blow through and delete everything that doesn't catch my attention....the original email probably got lost in the noise (I think I would've recognized "Loren" pretty quick though)

can you say how many slots are still available? I got a drift event or two to pay for in addition to new wheels/tires/hubs/spindles :)

[Loren]

No worries yet, but they're coming in quicker and much sooner than before. We're only at 8 of 42 right now. I'll start posting the registration list on the website sometime after the May 8 autox.

[Loren]

Bump.

It's coming up next month, folks. Don't wait until the last minute, get your entry in now.

[Bill]

Originally posted by Loren
Bump.

It's coming up next month, folks. Don't wait until the last minute, get your entry in now.

Damn it, I knew I forgot to do something last week.
Arrgggh...I'll get it out today or tomorrow.

Come on folks, sign up while you can. If you think auto-x is a blast, wait till you give this a try. It's no Sebring but it's the closest thing you'll find for ~$70 and a half hour's drive or so.

[obrien2]

Damn I won't be here that weekend. Oh well, mabey next time

[4wdFury]

ya need to scrounge up some cash. After prom I guess.

[Loren]

The weekly bump.

3 weeks to the entry deadline of June 6.

Got some folks getting together on June 5th to do roll bar installs. If anyone is in need of that, get with me.

[_Charles_]

hmmmmm...how many cars on the track at the same time? and do you allow Slow ass cars?

Charles

[4wdFury]

I really need to send my form in...

[Loren]

Originally posted by RiceRocket
hmmmmm...how many cars on the track at the same time? and do you allow Slow ass cars?
We aim for 7 cars per session. Works pretty well.

Slow-ass cars are fine, as are slow-ass drivers. All we ask is that you be safe and if you're holding up a faster car/driver, allow them to safely pass when appropriate. Beginners will have instructors riding along to keep them out of trouble and help them learn the track.

[g-50Cab]

Forgot who said it - but it was something along the lines of "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

and

"the most cost effective car upgrade is always to the nut behind the wheel"

both apply 100% to the Primus Track Event.

[_Charles_]

well....It seems that I'll be picking up a 2004 Camry 4cyl 5spd very soon. I already planned on autocrossing it, so this might be fun too.

BTW: What classifies you as a beginner? I have Auto-x'd too many times to count (although only once in the past 1.5 years due to not having a car). I have also auto-x'd with sunriders about 3-4 times.

Charles

[Loren]

Originally posted by RiceRocket
well....It seems that I'll be picking up a 2004 Camry 4cyl 5spd very soon. I already planned on autocrossing it, so this might be fun too.

BTW: What classifies you as a beginner? I have Auto-x'd too many times to count (although only once in the past 1.5 years due to not having a car). I have also auto-x'd with sunriders about 3-4 times.
4-cylinder Camry... slow, but reliable!

We start just about everyone out in the Beginner group just to feel them out and see what level they're at, make sure they grasp the "not an autocross, can't drive at 11/10" concept, and get them comfortable with the track. The only exception we might make to that might be for someone with lots of actual track driving experience.

Your autox experience gets you in the door. Without that, or some other racing experience, we probably wouldn't even consider you for the Beginner's group!

[4wdFury]

really need to write that damn check...

[4wdFury]

sending my check out tomorrow! Finally..

[Loren]

Get those entries in, only two weeks until the entry deadline!

[Nole99]

How many spots left? I'm trying to drum up some business on S2ki...

[Loren]

Originally posted by Nole99
How many spots left? I'm trying to drum up some business on S2ki...
Plenty... but who knows when the last-minute rush is going ot hit?

[Charles]

Looks very tempting........ I'm working 7pm-7am the night of this event, but it just might be worth pulling an all day/all nighter :)

[4wdFury]

Sent out my check today. Be expecting a letter with your address in very bad handwriting any day now Loren.

[Dr Evo]

I sent you a PM. I'm interested as well. Let me know if there are anymore openings.

Thanks

[Loren]

Originally posted by Dr Evo
I sent you a PM. I'm interested as well. Let me know if there are anymore openings.
Entry list is on the website, guys. That will show how many openings there are.

Entry List Link (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/loren.cfm)

[evlonedb]

ok im so confused! how much is it? i have a 95 240sx and can i enter it and do i need a roll cage? can i go somewhere and register cause im not good at doing things online im a face 2 face person and hate paying things over net. so if u can help id love to be there.

[Loren]

Originally posted by evlonedb
ok im so confused! how much is it? i have a 95 240sx and can i enter it and do i need a roll cage? can i go somewhere and register cause im not good at doing things online im a face 2 face person and hate paying things over net. so if u can help id love to be there.
All you have to do "online" is find the info packet and print it. Here's a direct link (http://sunridersautocross.com/PDFs/PrimusSchoolInfo.pdf) to the info packet. (it is a PDF document, you'll need Adobe Acrobat reader to open it) READ IT and you will find that unless your 240 is a convertible, you don't need a roll bar or a cage. No payments are being accepted via the net, it's all done by mail. You can bring it to me if you want, or come by the house and I'll print a copy of the packet for you.

BUT... while this is an "entry level" track driving school, it does have the prerequisite that you have some competition driving experience. This is not the place to learn basic car control. As a minimum, we like entrants to have 4-6 autocrosses or similar experience.

If you fit that bill, send me your entry form, or let me know what I can do to help.

[Tits McGee]

Originally posted by evlonedb
ok im so confused! how much is it? i have a 95 240sx and can i enter it and do i need a roll cage? can i go somewhere and register cause im not good at doing things online im a face 2 face person and hate paying things over net. so if u can help id love to be there.

if you're having this hard of a time just figuring out the cost and how to register, you probably shouldn't be out there anyways.....no one wants to die.


As for me, I'd love to go out there...but with the brand new car, I'm very unfamiliar with the way it handles on stock suspension and stock crap ass tires, so I don't know how comfortable I'd feel.

[Loren]

Originally posted by Leslie
if you're having this hard of a time just figuring out the cost and how to register, you probably shouldn't be out there anyways.....no one wants to die.

I know it's hard... but let's try not to be internet snobs. Not everyone is computer literate... and that doesn't mean they can't drive.

As for me, I'd love to go out there...but with the brand new car, I'm very unfamiliar with the way it handles on stock suspension and stock crap ass tires, so I don't know how comfortable I'd feel.

Bring it on. I know you've got some experience. The car on stock tires might not be the fastest thing around the track, but it should be predictable and you can learn a good line around the track. It'll be fun.

[evlonedb]

ive drivin primus on d-day 2. not alot of tracks where i used to live but i can assure i know how to drive grip of slip i love em both.so i am kind of familiar with primus but i just read the info packet and u guys use the whole track(sweet). but the biggest thing i need to know is price i just spent alot of money on d-day2 getting the car done so if you can post it or should i just call the number in the packet let me know please.

[Loren]

Originally posted by evlonedb
ive drivin primus on d-day 2. not alot of tracks where i used to live but i can assure i know how to drive grip of slip i love em both.so i am kind of familiar with primus but i just read the info packet and u guys use the whole track(sweet). but the biggest thing i need to know is price i just spent alot of money on d-day2 getting the car done so if you can post it or should i just call the number in the packet let me know please.

The entry form is in the packet, entry fees are there. $70 for non-members, $60 for members.

[g-50Cab]

Leslie - street tires are great to learn - I use streets on my car - they scream pretty loud before they let go - which is what you want when you are learning. and you have to start somewhere.

My names not on the list Loren yet ...

[Loren]

Originally posted by g-50Cab
My names not on the list Loren yet ...

Color me "patiently waiting". <tapping foot...>

[evlonedb]

hey loren when would a good time to get ahold of u be?

[Loren]

Originally posted by evlonedb
hey loren when would a good time to get ahold of u be?
Normally, just about anytime, but I'm kinda busy this week.

You can try me Thursday or Friday morning before 10am or sometime this weekend. No big weekend plans other than helping a friend move Saturday.

[markzeronine]

cant wait.. i'll be bring my dad to watch also

[4wdFury]

I was wondering if you recieved my payment/registration yet(Andrew Patton).

[Breakey_C5]

I sent my info and check in today. Thanks Loren.

adamb

[Loren]

Just updated the Entry List (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/loren.cfm) with entries received this week.

SEVEN DAYS until the entry deadline. Lots of people who were at the first event that I was expecting to see filling the "Intermediate" and "Advanced" groups... get those entries in!

Damned procrastinators. :mad:

:D

[g-50Cab]

Hey - I sent in a check about three weeks ago - tell me you received - I do not like the idea of a check floating around.

- Jeremy

[Loren]

Originally posted by g-50Cab
Hey - I sent in a check about three weeks ago - tell me you received - I do not like the idea of a check floating around.

Yes! Sorry, you were one of the early ones, before I started keeping the online list. I suck.

[neurovish]

what kind of cancellation/refund policy do you have? My car is way unprepared for primus right now, and I have this weekend to get the rear 5-lug swap finished that I ran into problems with last week.

I'm not really 100% sure it'll get done this weekend, which means I'll have super oversteer drift traction bias...I would much rather practice driving the real way at primus instead of trying to keep oversteer in check all day.

[Loren]

Originally posted by neurovish
what kind of cancellation/refund policy do you have?

Rather than having to deal with refunds or the possibility of turning someone else away due to you holding a position (which doesn't seem all that likely right now, but who knows?), I'd rather you just blow the deadline. Contact me as soon as you know your car is ready and I can get you on the list if it's not full and you can pay at the event.

[Bill]

FINALLY sent mine in. Can't wait for the event. Just replaced the front wheel bearings and installed a set of beefy race axles. If something breaks this time I'm going to be friggin' surprised. :D:D

[Loren]

Originally posted by Bill
FINALLY sent mine in. Can't wait for the event. Just replaced the front wheel bearings and installed a set of beefy race axles. If something breaks this time I'm going to be friggin' surprised. :D:D

Oh, so you were EXPECTING shit to break last time? :D

Got your entry yesterday, bro. Hoping to find my mailbox full for the next 3 days... 20 spots left to fill!

[Breakey_C5]

Loren - you should have my registration info any day.

adamb

[Loren]

Final bump. :)

Current registration list is here:
http://www.sunridersautocross.com/loren.cfm

If you're not registered yet and would like to be DO NOT MAIL your entry. Contact me no later than Wednesday and I may be able to add you, we still have some positions open.

[Loren]

Event has been POSTPONED, pick up the new thread here. (http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159769)