SS and DGTrials...

[_Charles_]

Okay....I'll be there (not driving though). As I already mentioned to Kyle, I would like to help out (tech, or something like that).

Anyways, I was reading the "rules" and "tech" stuff, and was curious about these items:

A) Wheels and Tires
1) Tires must have tread as intended per the design and not show any damage or undue wear
2) Tire brand, model, and size must be the same per axle.

While I applaud the effort, don't these rules make it expensive? You have to run 4 "like" tires? Just curious about your view.

Charles

[The Kyle]

the final tech details are being finalized and will be posted as soon as they are ready :)

[buck19]

Originally posted by RiceRocket

A) Wheels and Tires
1) Tires must have tread as intended per the design and not show any damage or undue wear
2) Tire brand, model, and size must be the same per axle.



1) as intended per the design. whats that supposed to mean. am i supposed to run out and get some advans (most arent DOT approved) or can i just use the dayton rain tires that are on there now.

2) so i can have to pair of different tires as long as the 2 front are the same and the 2 rear are the same?


where are the rules and tech stuff. i want to read and start preparing now.

[_Charles_]

Originally posted by buck19
1) as intended per the design. whats that supposed to mean. am i supposed to run out and get some advans (most arent DOT approved) or can i just use the dayton rain tires that are on there now.

2) so i can have to pair of different tires as long as the 2 front are the same and the 2 rear are the same?


where are the rules and tech stuff. i want to read and start preparing now.

I would wait until SS releases there version of the Tech Check. I've reviewed the current tech inspection list, and those were the only 2 items that I found that might cause a problem. The only reason I even cared (remember, I have no car to drift!) is that I will hopefully be a TECH INSPECTOR.

I'm sure SS will post the tech info as soon as they are ready!

Charles

[Matt Vassallo]

Mattback and Erik Jacobs of DG Trials will be tech'ing the cars.

[_Charles_]

Originally posted by Mattback
Mattback and Erik Jacobs of DG Trials will be tech'ing the cars.

Well maybe I'll just videotape the event or something....

[Matt Vassallo]

ricerocket, pm me or hit me on aim

thesocialmoth

[neurovish]

Originally posted by Mattback
Mattback and Erik Jacobs of DG Trials will be tech'ing the cars.

damn...erik's driving down for this?

...oh, and my obligatory gripe about whatever is the tires requirements for tech, where did that come from? I got an extra pair I was gonna throw on the rear, they aren't the same as what's on the front though.

[Matt Vassallo]

hey neurovish..

aim me

thesocialmoth

read my tech thread also.

[Slash]

HTR200's good for this event?

[buck19]

will there be sort of a provided paddock space incase we have any problems (say a popped tire) and can work on our cars and leave our personal belongings there.

[Matt Vassallo]

yes, we will have that taken care of... however we cannot be responsible for lost or stolen tires.. lock it up, have a friend watch it, have everythign in your car until youre running then have it somewhere safe etc. We will figure something out..

[Loren]

Originally posted by RiceRocket
2) Tire brand, model, and size must be the same per axle.

While I applaud the effort, don't these rules make it expensive? You have to run 4 "like" tires? Just curious about your view.


Several people have quoted and commented/griped about this. READ IT!

Tires must be the same PER AXLE, not PER CAR. You have one axle in the front and one in the rear. Tires on the rear must match, tires on the front must match. It ain't rocket science.

Sorry, I'm grumpy tonight... but this was pretty obvious to me.

[buck19]

thanks for the info mattback. ill prob just chain everything together or if i have the truck too ill use that.

[The Kyle]

Charles, i just tried to send you a PM your mailbox is full

[Slash]

Loren... the reason I asked the question was because of this..........

Originally posted by Mattback
___Tires must have tread as intended per the design

I took this as that the tire had to be designed for motorsports... a Ultra High, maximum, or competition class tire.. My HTR200's are basically glorified passenger tires but are popular for street drifting cause of high treadwear and resistance to chunking as well as cost.

So I wasnt sure If I had to go get azenis's or something because my passenger tires were not of the right class to compete, apparently tho they are ok as long as they have decent tread on them..

[Loren]

Originally posted by Slash
Loren... the reason I asked the question was because of this..........

Tires must have tread as intended per the design


I took this as that the tire had to be designed for motorsports... a Ultra High, maximum, or competition class tire.. My HTR200's are basically glorified passenger tires but are popular for street drifting cause of high treadwear and resistance to chunking as well as cost.

So I wasnt sure If I had to go get azenis's or something because my passenger tires were not of the right class to compete, apparently tho they are ok as long as they have decent tread on them..

I must have played the SCCA game too long. These rules are clear to me. :D

I read that one to mean that the tire must have tread per ITS design. IE, if it's a DOT competition tire, it was designed with 4mm of visible tread and having 2mm of tread is dandy. If it's a street tire, it was designed with 9-11mm of tread and 2mm is... iffy.

It seems that you read it to mean that the tire must have tread per the design of the event or something.

Yeah, it could be better written. Probably should be more clear.

Edit:

FWIW, SCCA's stock class rules (which allow both street and DOT "race" rubber) simply state:
Each tire must have non-zero measurable tread depth (i.e., points where it is possible to obtain positive measurement values) as described in Section 3.3.D. Tires may not have cord visible at any time during competition.

I think the "no cord" part is a good thing to state in this type of event. No "I passed tech, so I get to run all day until a tire pops", but rules that clearly state that as soon as anyone sees a cord, you're off the track.

[_Charles_]

Originally posted by Slow Kyle
Charles, i just tried to send you a PM your mailbox is full

Cleared it out...

[Matt Vassallo]

the problem is, the cars cord tires so easily, its going to be tough.

We will look to see how much cord is showing, if its all the wya through all the way around the tire, we will probablypull em.

we dont need people tearing up the course.

[Jonas]

any word on the design of the track??