What speakers should I go for?

[Solar Specialist]

Alright I'm going to be getting an explorer this week and wanted to see what people thought of my possible setup. I am going to use a 4 channel amp for my highs/mids and a 2 channel amp to push a single dual voice coil sub. Probably a 1000 watt 2 channel amp and maybe like an 800 watt 4 channel. Right now I'm thinking of looking to get 2 pairs of MB Quartz 5.25" components and am now looking for a sub that doesn't take a huge box, preferably a 12, and doesn't cost $500. Whats a good sub for the price? Anything else that compares to MB Quartz's components for less money? How is Infinity? Let me know. Thanks.

[Solar Specialist]

I also was looking at Infinity subs. Like the Kappa Perfect 12.

http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=infperfect121d&svbname=425

[TBSpyder]

For your sub amp, go with a mono class D amp...not 2 channel. As for subs, the choices are endless. I don't think that Infinity will handle 1000w RMS though. What's your price range for the sub?

[MDIFYTD]

I used a kappa perfect 12, I thought it was a great sub for the price. I think you can get them on ebay for ~100-150.

As far as components my suggestion would be to go and listen to as many as you can. If you like the way that quarts sound you might want to look for something with a metal tweeter.

[Derek]

ive heard good things about cdt components.

www.thezeb.com has them pretty cheap

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by TBSpyder
For your sub amp, go with a mono class D amp...not 2 channel. As for subs, the choices are endless. I don't think that Infinity will handle 1000w RMS though. What's your price range for the sub?


I'm really only looking to push 500rms to the sub.

Now as far as mono, what about pushing a dual voice coil sub? Can I run the positive to one of the positives of one voice coil, the negative to the other voice coil's negative, and then a wire from the other 2 not being used? Or something like that?

Not really going for competition, just want quite a bit of bass for the size(single 12 in a sealed box, or possibly ported-no huge bandpass though). And also want highs and mids to be clear and loud. Thanks for the help.

[Derek]

For wireing options go to:

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/wiringwizard/

Shows you how to wire stuff until you memorize it.

[Derek]

Also maybe look into resonant engineering @ www.respl.com

or elemental designs www.edesignaudio.com

Both make really good woofers for the money compaired to mainstream companys like rockford and kicker.

Best thing you can do is do your homework before you drop 800 dollars on a system. The Caraudio.com forums is a good place to learn about products.

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
I'm really only looking to push 500rms to the sub.

Now as far as mono, what about pushing a dual voice coil sub? Can I run the positive to one of the positives of one voice coil, the negative to the other voice coil's negative, and then a wire from the other 2 not being used? Or something like that?

Not really going for competition, just want quite a bit of bass for the size(single 12 in a sealed box, or possibly ported-no huge bandpass though). And also want highs and mids to be clear and loud. Thanks for the help.

You'd want to wire together the positives and then wire together the negatives on the sub, then onto the amp...if that makes sense. I'm using a JBL 600.1 right now, which I think would work well for you...plus they're extremely affordable. I paid $200 for mine. Puts out 600w RMS and is even said to be a underrated. There's so many subs out there, something like a 12" Kicker L5 would probably be in your price range though and sound great.

[aaron1017]

The eD O Series is a great choice if you are going to go sealed. I had one before I traded it in for an A series.

[Bumpin Expo]

what kinda explorer u getting? i got a 99 sport and i jus got done puttin my system in. it takes up the whole trunk tho. Ill take pics today

[Solar Specialist]

I'm looking for a 95-99 4 door.

[dragongirl]

For a car of that size,I would suggest upping the high frequency output from 5.25 inch to 6..5's or possibly doing a pair of 6x9 with 6.5's. If you're gonna have at least 2 12's in your car then you're gonna want to even the highs out The audio store that I worked at did not sell the MB quartz line, but I have seen really nice systems worked out with the Kicker Solobaric series as well as the Rockford Fosgate competition series. For your mids and highs, the Inifinity Kappa series as well as the eclipse line will give you excellent clarity and are pretty durable. They're a bit more expensive than the rest,but will last much longer.

[Bumpin Expo]

uh oh who is this dragon girl

[Bumpin Expo]

and in my car i have 5x8 infinity reference all around, lil too much tweet and doesnt bring out the mid bass that well. I wanna get some new speakers

[Derek]

yea my infinity components = shitty bass n midbass sounds all nasty

[TBSpyder]

A reason you might be getting shitty midbass with your components could be that you're not giving them enough power, that or you just need to tune your system better.


On a side note...I would recommend looking into some home audio mids. A friend of mine went from a set of $700 Rainbow components to some $30 home audio mids and they blow the Rainbows away. You just have to know what you're doing and have decent crossovers because home audio speakers can be picky. I'll see if I can't find out what brand he got if you're interested.

[93ex]

IM getting peerless mids... building my own x over

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by TBSpyder
On a side note...I would recommend looking into some home audio mids. A friend of mine went from a set of $700 Rainbow components to some $30 home audio mids and they blow the Rainbows away. You just have to know what you're doing and have decent crossovers because home audio speakers can be picky. I'll see if I can't find out what brand he got if you're interested.


Ya let me know. I'm all for saving money, I just want to have very loud and clear highs/mids.

[Derek]

Originally posted by TBSpyder
A reason you might be getting shitty midbass with your components could be that you're not giving them enough power, that or you just need to tune your system better.


right now they sound shitty because there running off the HU. But even when they were amped up they wernt the best.

But yea.....

[dragongirl]

Hey AFBoy143, This is Dragongirl here and just wondering what it was exactly that you wanted to know about me? I see that there isn't exactly a plethora of girls on this particular forum, and figured since I do know just maybe a thing or two about the subject I would just join in the suggestion giving fun. FYI... before I get a load of questions concerning my knowledge or lack there of.... I was in the biz for a while a few years back, but not in it anymore. So I am not up on all the newest gear and options, but don't count me out boyz, I just might be a welcome surprise to this testosterone laden group. Unless that is you all are gonna be mean and try to scare little old me away... :)

[TBSpyder]

I think this forum is pretty much open to ANYONE (male, female, chimpanzee) who even has the slightest interest in the subject at this point. There's only a handful of active members in here as it is...so any newcomers are welcome. I'm sure the rest of the members will agree.

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by Derek123
right now they sound shitty because there running off the HU. But even when they were amped up they wernt the best.

But yea.....

That's a huge disadvantage right there. Infinity definetly isn't known for heart stopping bass/mid-bass in the first place...but they're not playing anywhere near their potential off the measely 18-22watts most aftermarket HU's put out. I would think those components should be receiving a MINIMUM of 50w RMS per side, tuned in the range of 80hz.

So first I would get a nice size amp to push them, because even if you do get better components/mids you're going to need a nice amp on to push them as well. Your system is only as good as it's weakest link.

[93ex]

Originally posted by TBSpyder
I think this forum is pretty much open to ANYONE (male, female, chimpanzee) who even has the slightest interest in the subject at this point. There's only a handful of active members in here as it is...so any newcomers are welcome. I'm sure the rest of the members will agree.

Re: what he said. Im pretty sure all active posters in this forum have very similar thoughts mostly revolving aroudn car audio. Any new peopelw ho want to come in here the better. if you stick around and post, awesome, if not. i hope you got your question answered

[Solar Specialist]

So could I just go with Infinitys all around and have a pretty good system? Probably 1 12" and 4 6.5" components.

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
So could I just go with Infinitys all around and have a pretty good system? Probably 1 12" and 4 6.5" components.

Imaging usually sounds best when you have a stronger front stage. I would do components in the front, with an amp, but maybe only coaxials in rear.

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Ya let me know. I'm all for saving money, I just want to have very loud and clear highs/mids.


Finally got the info. They are Vifa PL's. He got them from Partsexpress on sale for $18 a piece, not sure if they've gone up since then. Here's a pic of the PL's and the Rainbows side by side, PL's on the left....

[93ex]

I was gonna go with the PL's :) so many good speakers

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by TBSpyder
Imaging usually sounds best when you have a stronger front stage. I would do components in the front, with an amp, but maybe only coaxials in rear.


Should I go for the components in the kickpanel mounts up front?
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/lifestyle/2000/h044K2006.jpeg

But I only wanted to use 2 amps hopefully. If I do that I'd probably still go for 2 other pairs of speakers in the doors, plus a decent sub.

[93ex]

I would do comps in the kicks, and if you feel you need mroe do the doors

[Solar Specialist]

Well explorers have a speaker in every door stock, so I think I may replace those with some better ones(not too good) and run those 4 off the HU. Then run a 4 channel amp, 2 channels to the components, and bridge the other 2 for a sub(or one to each voice coil).

[Derek]

what sub you thinking about getting?

[Bumpin Expo]

Hmmmm

I looked at partsexpress all excited to find these vifa pl midbass speakers for 18$ a peice cuz i gotta alpine 4 channel layin around dying to power some speakers, but I was outta luck, they went up to like 54$. So does anyone know of any decent components I can get that are fairly cheap. Sorry to try n highjack this thread ... :-D

And dragongirl...do u have ne pics of ur system? How old r u?

[TBSpyder]

What's fairly cheap?

[Bumpin Expo]

I really didnt wanan go over like 100, i dunno how possable that is .... i jus wanna bring out the midbass and highs more

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by Derek123
what sub you thinking about getting?


I'm thinking of running all Infinity speakers. A pair of Perfect 5.25" components in the front kickpanels, a 5.25" Reference in each of the doors, and then a Perfect 12 in the back.

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by Afboy143
I really didnt wanan go over like 100, i dunno how possable that is .... i jus wanna bring out the midbass and highs more

Yeah. That's near impossible for "decent" components. There's a pretty good deal at thezeb.com though on 5.25" MB Quart components for $90 though. I haven't seen much better for the money.

[Bumpin Expo]

how good is mb quart, never heard ne thing they made b4. And how well will these components bring out my mid bass and highs

[Bumpin Expo]

how about ma audio components? ive been lookin around and all these brands carry components that are around the same price range

[Bumpin Expo]

do u jus have aim?

[Solar Specialist]

I've heard from people that MB Quartz are really good, but never heard them myself.

[TBSpyder]

I would consider MB Quarts as mid to high end speakers. You can see the retail price on those is over $200, if that means anything to you. I have very little experience with MA audio, so I can't really comment on them, but I've heard good things about them as well. My AIM sn is johnnyspydur.

[Derek]

All ive read about ma audio is stay away......

CDT @ thezeb.com on the other hand ive heard great things 149 for the CL-61a

[dragongirl]

I'm 24 years old and, no pics of the system. I don't have a digi cam unfortunately. MB quartz are really good speakers as are the infinity reference series, Kicker has some mid range speakers that are nice as well.

There are plenty of fairly cheap mids and highs if you go to sound advice or best buy.

[rishi]

just peeking in
and saw the 8incher in the Elemental Designs site
anyone have any info about this driver in the recommended ported box
looking for something for the rex

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
I'm thinking of running all Infinity speakers. A pair of Perfect 5.25" components in the front kickpanels, a 5.25" Reference in each of the doors, and then a Perfect 12 in the back.


How does this sound? I want to run the 4 5.25"s off of the headunit(22rmsx4), and then run the components off of 2 channels of a 4 channel amp, and the sub off of the other 2 channels. Probably looking at running a 1000watt amp to push everything and just turning down the 2 channels going to the components. Do you think that setup would be pretty loud AND clear? As for bass, 1 12" is about as much room as I want to take up and if its not enough bass for me I'll just get a different 12" and larger amp.

[Solar Specialist]

Anything to say about that setup? And the 1 12" is going to be an elemental designs.

[93ex]

a lot of peopel like infity stuff.. i have honeslty never ben too impressed by them.. i probabaly have ben tainted by high end stuff tho..