sunriders 1/10/04 review.

[The Kyle]

AWESOME. it was my first autox and i LOVED it, ill be there every month from now on...i got some video, ill try to see if i can post some of itt, if anyone has pics, post up! :)

[Loren]

Hey, Kyle. Glad you had fun. Sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you, but with 52 drivers... I was overwhelmed!

Results are posted on SunRidersAutocross.com (http://www.sunridersautocross.com).

Specific links:
Results by Class (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/srfiles/10Jan04-ResultsByClass.pdf)
Results by Time (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/srfiles/10Jan04-ResultsByTime.pdf)

I was missing info on 3 drivers.
#17 - no sheet - Dunno.
#18 - Danny Pearsall - no times. Did he split without running?
#39 - no sheet - I'm pretty sure this was the Faaaast Impala SS.

If anyone has any hints, lemme know.

[perdition79]

Originally posted by Loren
I was missing info on 3 drivers.
#17 - no sheet - Dunno.
#18 - Danny Pearsall - no times. Did he split without running?
#39 - no sheet - I'm pretty sure this was the Faaaast Impala SS.

If anyone has any hints, lemme know.


hey loren, change the name on #13 to Danny Pearsall. my name is there and it shouldn't be. i'm the one who did not run with the red neon. i wanted to play it safe, so i left instead to have it checked out.

[Loren]

Originally posted by perdition79
hey loren, change the name on #13 to Danny Pearsall. my name is there and it shouldn't be. i'm the one who did not run with the red neon. i wanted to play it safe, so i left instead to have it checked out.

Cool, thanks. Car trouble?

[perdition79]

just in case anyone was curious about the oil burning neon, it's not a blown ring. my oil was overfilled quite a bit, about 1/2 of a quart too much. i drained the oil a little, so i'm running 1/4 quart below the max fill line now. i drove a good 100 miles to check it out with another car watching me, and there's no sign of burning oil.

[perdition79]

Originally posted by Loren
Cool, thanks. Car trouble?

yep. just explained it above.

loren: #18 Danny Pearsall is a virgin novice - VN - class driver. and right now his results (#13 Daniel Anglin) are posted in street tire -SN - novice under the wrong name. i wouldn't want to see anything be inaccurate, since i'm sure that both danny and i will be autocrossing again in the future.

[Loren]

Glad the car was nothing major. I think I saw it on its last run... big smoke!

Results are fixed.

For the record... just like on Who's Line Is It Anyway... "the points don't matter". We just post results to give you something to compare yourself to.

[Jonas]

ill post pics later on tonight, kyle how did you like my video taping??

btw guys... i will DEFINITELY run on the next event... after just spectating and doing ride alongs... i definitely want a shot at driving... even just to have fun..

[Matt Vassallo]

i had a ton of fun!

i did rather well this time also. Overall a great time had.



stay in second gear

stay in second gear

stay in second gear!!!

thanks, Loren!


WE GOTTA GET A DRIFT THING GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loren]

Mattback,

The irony is that after I suggested to you to stay in second, I went out and started downshifting to first! :) But, I still think staying in second was better for you. It allowed you to concentrate more on driving smoothly and keeping a nice line.

My best times came from staying in first for the first half of the course (bouncing the rev limiter in 3 places), and finally shifting to second for the big sweeper leading into the spiral. I downshifted back to first to exit the spiral and finish.

[4wdFury]

definately a good day at sunriders minus the weather. Sucked to be a spectator(not by choice) but still fun to watch, ride along, and play with cosmo(coolest dog ever). I'll be out there next time baring any careless contruction workers in my area(damn nails/screws).

[Loren]

Originally posted by OversteerS2K
It's nice of Danny to show up once in a while and re-set "the bar". Damn good driver.

We're always happy to see Dan show up at an event. I think he took it easy on us this time. (he had a new ride) For mediocre me to get within about .5 seconds of him on a 50-second course with him on R tires and me on streets... he could have raised the bar much higher. He IS a damn good driver.

[Loren]

Originally posted by OversteerS2K
Loren, quit being modest. You're a really good driver and should run some SCCA events in CSP. Surely you have SOME itch to go run the National Tour in Feb.?

Well, I do try to be modest. :)

But seriously, I'm not that good. Watch me run, then watch someone like Jesse run. I'm not agressive enough. I'm smooth, and can pick a pretty good line, but I'm not agressive. Perhaps if I spent some time driving on R tires (which I've only done a few times) I might learn to be more agressive.

I'd like to try a Pro Solo, I think that would be fun. But, as far as being competitive... I blew my chance at ever being competitive on street tires when I sold my Saturn and bought a Miata that can't run in STS. And I just don't have the money or motivation to make the move to R tires.

Maybe in a few years when my son reaches driving age (hehehe) I'll have enough money to go that direction and carry him as a co-driver. That might be fun. I'm sure he'd dig it.

[Loren]

Course map and a few pix someone sent to me in this gallery (http://www.tamparacing.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=3064&ppuser=13272).

[grindpunk16]

I stopped by to catch Iamgod712 and ACR2NV run...it was fun maybe next time i'll run my neon. Thanks guys for a fun time....

[fastforward]

I had a good time. I haven't raced at a sunriders event in quite some time. It was nice to return where it pretty much started for me. (though I haven't gotten any better :lol: )
My brother was visiting from out of state and I brought him to his first event to try out his black '02 Altima 3.5 SE. He said he had a great time and was going to try to find some atocross action in his neck of the woods now. He's hooked.
I liked the layout. Seemed pretty unconventional for a sunriders event...at least from what I recall. The corkscrew was fun! Great idea! I was impressed with my times, but I thought I could have done a bit better. My tires have seen better days (suckers are getting bald...excises, excuses)...I guess it's time to buy a set of race wheels and tires. I'm sick of wearing out my street meats on race days.
It was nice to meet many fellow TR members out there as always...SlowKyle didn't look to slow to me! Good job man...nice talking to you.
I shot some video of several cars, I can post some stills taken from the vid. And email any video mpeg clips to anyone that wants 'em. Check back later this afternoon I'll post them then, no time right now.
-Ben

[robofunc]

Man, there were a lot of people!

It was a pretty fun course. I don't think i was driving as well as i could have, though. I was bummed to miss the third run group--had to leave early and go to Bradenton.

My brother's friend took some video. I guess he's editing it. I'll try and get a copy uploaded once he's done.

[robofunc]

whoops-double.

[Funk]

i had fun sliding it all!

[Loren]

Originally posted by funk stuffs
i had fun sliding it all!

There were parts of that course that lent themselves to a little drift... perhaps even required it. I know I did a little controlled drifting in 3 distinct places on my two fastest runs.

The one run I took in Regina's car was pretty drifty, too... her car was very tail-happy!

[Chin]

Yeah, just a little...lol oh yeah loren im not sure if they wrote it down wrong or what, but I'm pretty sure I pulled off a 57.1xx on my last run, if you could look into that thanks:)

[Loren]

Originally posted by Chin180sx
Yeah, just a little...lol oh yeah loren im not sure if they wrote it down wrong or what, but I'm pretty sure I pulled off a 57.1xx on my last run, if you could look into that thanks:)

57.661 is what your sheet says. Maybe they wrote it wrong on the board? FWIW, a 57.1 wouldn't change your finish position within your class.

[Funk]

hope i didnt offend people with my drifting, sorry if so

[Chin]

nah, I was just looking at the overall heh.

[Loren]

Originally posted by funk stuffs
hope i didnt offend people with my drifting, sorry if so

We don't get "offended", just concerned about safety and/or delaying the event from having to pick up half the course when someone gets a little too far out of shape. Most of us tolerate (some of us even appreciate) a well-executed mild drift. As long as you're in control, that's what we're mainly concerned with.

I didn't see your first run, but heard it was a little wild. I did see one of your last runs, and it looked nice. A little drift in appropriate places, but very smooth and controlled.

Someone will usually come talk to you if they have a concern. (dunno if they did in your case or not, I think I was breaking in a new timing crew at the time)

I think the wildest run of the day was that Caprice's first run!

[99TL]

fastforward: any pics of the green 540i?

[ACR2NV]

thanks Loren/crew for another great gathering....finally got to run the course. Last time i spectated and did course work but didnt get to run...license was MIA (found it after registration was over)but none the less gave me time to prepare for my first event at the SPC allstate. I did however run the SCCA event that same weekend so technically this was my second event. I had a blast am still in the quest to buy the very car i was autoxing...all SOHC , 150hp , 2800lbs and problems or no. 2001 ACRs are rare cars 1 of less that 440 built, I had one should have kept it but stuff happens and i eagerly look foward to my next ACR.... get a damn srt4 already dan :D

was trully honored to see mr shields in action, liked the Impala action, 240s were doing what they do best, Cooper S' were impressive and the miatas just keep re enforcing why it doesnt take big car/power to have fun....thanks l8r

[fastforward]

Originally posted by 99TL
fastforward: any pics of the green 540i?

Here is a still taken from my video. The camera I brought that day was my little Digital 8 video camera. So the image quality kinda sucks. I PM'd you a message too...I have a short mpeg vid I can send you of your run in which your car got a bit tail happy.

[fastforward]

Awesome MGB!!!!

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240sx

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Loren's Miata???
*note cone flying behind car :lol: ;)

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Major "Sleeper"
This Fiero was equiped with a rear mounted 350ci engine!

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Cone removal

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one of several Mini Coopers

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black Miata

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one more for Loren
(that is you...right?)

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My brothers awesome looking '02 Altima 3.5 SE 5-speed car. His first autocross.

[fastforward]

The only cars I have on tape (except for the Altima) were in the second run group. I don't have all of them either, just the one's pictures above. Sorry about the poor image quality...they are stills grabbed from the Digital8 video tape.

[Loren]

Originally posted by fastforward
Loren's Miata???
*note cone flying behind car :lol: ;)

Ahem! That was my co-driver, Chad Sutton. :)

He'd probably like to see that video if you can get it to me. Did you get any of me driving?

[Loren]

Originally posted by fastforward
one more for Loren
(that is you...right?)

Nope, that's Chad again.

As you said, the quality of these pix isn't top-notch, but when it comes to autox action pictures, zooming in and capturing the action is where its at. I think these pictures are great!

If you can, go to SunRidersAutocross.com (http://www.sunridersautocross.com/), create a photo album and upload a few of your favorites. We need some good action photos out there.

If you can't do that, just email me a batch of them and I'll do it. We might use some of them in the SunRiders newsletter as well, if you don't mind.

The webmaster might even be interested in some video clips.

[kennycanniff]

I sure would love to see some video of my runs .. anybody get some video of the land yacht? :D
Kenny

[ACR2NV]

no neon? :D

[Matt Vassallo]

i would have killed for a shot of my car with 3 wheel action going on !!!!! maybe next time!

[Loren]

Originally posted by Mattback
i would have killed for a shot of my car with 3 wheel action going on !!!!! maybe next time!

Your car was doing it pretty consistently, capturing a picture of it shouldn't be difficult.

But... for a RWD car, popping the rear wheel up is not really a good thing. Might be good for your drift setup... maybe. With one rear wheel in the air, you definitely can't put down any power.

FWIW, real autox prepared RWD cars (read: Not Streetable, but fully purpose-built for autox) tend to life a front tire in such circumstances. They have the rear set soft enough to hook up hard and allow them to power out of a turn... doing so lifts the inside rear tire. If you think watching a rear tire lift is fun... front tire lift is amazing!

I've seen Corvettes, old Datsun Z cars (BP cars), Porsches (AP cars) and built Camaros/Mustangs (CP cars) do it.

(we'll make an autocrosser out of you yet, Matt :) )

[flmcoupe]

Like this? :)

http://www.fastjam.com/mcoupe/seb-chin.jpg

[perdition79]

Originally posted by kennycanniff
I sure would love to see some video of my runs .. anybody get some video of the land yacht? :D
Kenny

i got a few good still shots of you spinning out, taken with someone else's camera. it'll be a while before i have the pics. even better, i took some good shots of my red neon burning oil. (the problem is fixed now, and for less than $30.)

[Loren]

Originally posted by flmcoupe
Like this? :)

Yes, exactly like that! I love visual aids. :)

[robofunc]

This footage that my brother's friend took has the Land Yacht and a few others in it.

I'm waiting patiently to be able to post it--it should contain shots for most of those requesting them.

[robofunc]

goddammit

[PseudoRealityX]

umm, my E-stock car lifts a front wheel....

[kennycanniff]

Here are a few pics I have ....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p7ed0d73dafda187d21fa7001643460b7/f9f89500.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pfc79556b5ced914d1468423a7268f1d5/f9f7238e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pa1b3c8368db3db512f9de5c0c93177ee/f9f72380.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/p6508fb42b4cfe6ef7b4d2a9a7ded9137/f9f7237a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/padcb4fd9f107b9f289ab77241b94dc95/f9f888fa.jpg

Kenny

[Loren]

Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
umm, my E-stock car lifts a front wheel....

Cool. My major point was that it's not normal or desirable in an autox or racing environment for a RWD car to be lifting a rear tire as Mattback's car was doing.

Yeah, your car and other stock cars might lift a front tire, but it's more common and more dramatic in the types of cars I mentioned... and Jamal's BMW. :D

[PseudoRealityX]

It's more common in cars that have 55+% of their weight over the back wheels Loren....and a really stiff front swaybar;)

CS Spyders
ES MR2
BS MR2 turbos

the stock cars will actually lift quite a bit, mainly due to the reason that the only way they can increase front roll stiffness is to use the big front bar, and that's going to majorly limit front droop travel in a corner. A street prepared car or the like can use higher spring rates with less bar and not be lifting.

[fastforward]

Loren...I am now a registered member of the sunriders autocross site, I will upload pics to an album within the next couple of days. I hope you guys can use them for your site or newsletter, feel free to do what ever you want with them. Also, I'll check to see if I can find some images of you driving your red miata...were you wearing a different color helmet, other then white? Its hard to tell who is driving on the video.

[Loren]

Thanks, FF.

It might be hard to tell Chad and I apart in my car. I drove in the 3rd run group. My helmet is also white. I have a beard. If you can see the car numbers, I was 36, Chad was 37.

[99TL]

thanks for the pics

[fastforward]

Originally posted by 99TL
thanks for the pics

No prob...did you get the vid I emailed you?

Sorry Loren, aside from my brother's Altima, I didn't get any third run group cars on on tape. I was racing in theat group a well.

If anyone ever spots me at any autox events and wants me to catch a few of their runs on tape or grab some shots with a still camera, I'd be happy to. I usually have a digital video or still camera with me, or I'll use your camera.

-Ben

[99TL]

yeah i got the vid....lol....very entertaining. I will try to get another email address that has a higher limit that you can email the better quality vid on.

Kris

[Loren]

I'd like to see the video of Chad driving my car. You can try to email it to me, but it might be easier to just send me a link to someplace I can grab it from. Lemme know.

[Matt Vassallo]

with a limited slip differential lifting a side isnt a big deal

the whole diff out of my car being rebuilt sucks.

i'm experiementing with this suspension, i have stock 14mm swaybars, we'll see what happens when i put my real ones in, play with my alignments, and play with my dampening.

i might put 10/8 springs from my 8/6 kgmm right now.

[Loren]

Originally posted by Mattback
with a limited slip differential lifting a side isnt a big deal

the whole diff out of my car being rebuilt sucks.

i'm experiementing with this suspension, i have stock 14mm swaybars, we'll see what happens when i put my real ones in, play with my alignments, and play with my dampening.

i might put 10/8 springs from my 8/6 kgmm right now.

Even with LSD, one tire is not going to put down as much power as two tires can. For autocross purposes, you need to plant the rear of a RWD car.

I'd stick with the softer springs for now (maybe forever), they seemed to be plenty. Leave your rear swaybar alone and put a larger one in front. Soften your dampening as much as you can to allow the car to glide over the rough stuff without losing traction.

That should be enough to get your car "pretty close". Try to leave it alone and work on driving for a while after that. It's really hard to learn the finer points of autocross driving when your car is different at every event. It's easier to hit a non-moving target.

[Matt Vassallo]

heheh i hear you on that.


i would love to be able to put in adjustable sways, and this way adjust the settings of my car so i can go from drift to grip without donig major parts changovers. i want stiffer springs on the car, i love the response i get from doing it.

but we will see ;-)

[PseudoRealityX]

if you're lifting a rear tire, you NEED, at all costs, to stiffen the front.

springs, shocks, or swaybars... it needs more front roll resistence.

making most swaybars adjustable isn't hard. A couple of drill bits or 25 bucks to a local machine shop.