psifactor

Its seems there is alot of confusion about how fast the gearing will allow you to go. Here is a data that I found interesting.

If you have any data to show that this information is incorrect I would love to see it.


"I would like to continue my impressions and findings from experimenting with this amazing program called CarTest (many of you are using it and know what it's all about). Well, because I believe that its results are pretty accurate I would like to write about certain useful information DSM owners (including myself of course), hopefully, will appreciate.

I think one of the most useful findings for stock DSMs are the shift points when drag racing. Another is the clutch dump. Something that brings me to another interesting fact concerning the gear ratios of DSMs. I was surprised to see that the 2G Talon AWD (more specifically 1995) and the 2G Eclipse GSX (more specifically 1995) do not share the same gear ratios! Also, the 2G Talon AWD shares the same exact gear ratios with the 1G Talon AWD (specifically 1991) and the 1G Eclipse GSX (1990)! All that includes the final drive ratios. So, that leaves the 2G GS-T and GSX left with a "unique" set of gear ratios. Here are the specific ratios so make your own
conclusions:

Talon AWD 1991 and 1995 and Eclipse 1990 GSX:
1st: 3.08
2nd: 1.68
3rd: 1.12
4th: 0.83
5th: 0.67
Final Drive: 4.93

Eclipse 1995 GSX:
1st: 3.54
2nd: 2.13
3rd: 1.36
4th: 1.03
5th: 0.81
Final Drive: 3.94

Eclipse 1995 GS-T
1st: 3.09
2nd: 1.83
3rd: 1.22
4th: 0.89
5th: 0.74
Final Drive: 4.15

So as you all see the 1995 GS-T is somewhere in the middle of the 1995 GSX
and the Talons (all...excuding the 1G Tsi and GS-T for which there are no
data).

Now that we all know the gear ratios let's see what the optimum shift
points are as well as the optimum clutch dumps (all cars are stock). All
cars' weight includes a 185 pound driver because simply you have to be in
the car to drive, shift, dump the clutch and drag race. For that reason
the weight will be given for each car. Here we go:

Let's start with the 2Gs and the Talon 1995 TSi AWD (210 HP)

Weight (with driver 3360 pounds or 1524 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 6000 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points:
1st at 7000 rpm (33 mph or 53 kph)
2nd at 6760 rpm (59 mph or 95 kph)
3rd at 6530 rpm (86 mph 138.4 kph)
4th at 6380 rpm (114 mph 183.5 kph)
Top Speed: 146.6 mph or 236 kph (5th gear at 6600 rpm) reached after 128.02
seconds and after 24076 feet or 7338 meters
0-60 mph: 7.0 secs
1/4 mile: 15.1 at 90.0 mph or 144.8 kph

Sorry, no data for 2G Talon Tsi.

Eclipse 1995 GSX (210 HP)

Weight (with driver 3345 pounds or 1517 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 5700 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points:
1st at 6940 rpm (35 mph 56 kph)
2nd at 6880 rpm (58 mph 93 kph)
3rd at 6480 rpm (86 mph 138.4 kph)
4th at 6410 rpm (113 mph 182 kph)
Top Speed: 147.3 mph or 237 kph (5th gear at 6550 rpm) reached after 130.37
seconds and after 24661 feet or 7517 meters
0-60 mph: 7.0 secs
1/4 mile: 15.1 secs at 90.2 mph or 145.2 kph

Eclipse 1995 GS-T (210 HP)

Weight (with driver 3220 pounds or 1460.6 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 2800 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points:
1st at 7000 rpm (41 mph or 66 kph)
2nd at 6880 rpm (68 mph or 109.4 kph) <-- main reason for 0-60 mph run
being so much better than the AWDs is the longer 2nd gear ratio surpassing
the 60 mph mark at optimum shift
3rd at 6640 rpm (99 mph or 159.3 kph)
4th at 6370 rpm (131 mph or 211 kph!)
Top Speed: 154.8 mph or 249 kph (5th gear at 6600 rpm) reached after 128.02
seconds and after 29376 feet or 8954 meters
0-60 mph: 6.5 secs
1/4 mile: 15.1 at 95.2 mph or 153.2 kph

1Gs

Eagle 1991 TSi AWD (195 HP)

Weight (with driver 3260 pounds or 1479 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 5600 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points:
1st at 6970 rpm (33 mph or 53 kph)
2nd at 6640 rpm (58 mph or 93.3 kph)
3rd at 6460 rpm (85 mph or 136.8 kph)
4th at 6330 rpm (113 mph or 181.8 kph)
Top Speed: 141.8 mph or 228.2 kph (5th gear at 6400 rpm) reached after
133.64 seconds and after 24455 feet or 7454 meters
0-60 mph: 7.3 secs
1/4 mile: 15.3 at 88.5 mph or 153.2 kph

Eclipse 1990 (1989) GSX (195 HP)

Weight (with driver 3285 pounds or 1490 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 5800 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points (all are same as Talon's):
1st at 6970 rpm (33 mph or 53 kph)
2nd at 6640 rpm (58 mph or 93.3 kph)
3rd at 6460 rpm (85 mph or 136.8 kph)
4th at 6330 rpm (113 mph or 181.8 kph)
Top Speed: 141.4 mph or 227.6 kph (5th gear at 6390 rpm) reached after
133.93 seconds and after 24436 feet or 7448 meters
0-60 mph: 7.3 secs
1/4 mile: 15.3 at 88.2 mph or 142 kph

And as a bonus I will throw in the data for the Talon ESi 1997 (2.0 liter
140 HP)

1st: 3.54
2nd: 2.13
3rd: 1.36
4th: 1.03
5th: 0.81
Final Drive: 3.94

Weight (with driver 2960 pounds or 1490 kg)
Optimum Clutch Dump: 6700 rpm (optimized for 0-100 mph)
Optimum Gear Shift Points:
1st at 7000 rpm (39 mph or 62.8 kph)
2nd at 6920 rpm (64! mph or 103! kph)
3rd at 6850 rpm (96 mph or 154.5 kph)
4th at 6510 rpm (126! mph or 202.7 kph)
Top Speed: 136.6! mph or 219.8 kph (5th gear at 5550 rpm) reached after
193.21 seconds and after 34802 feet or 10608 meters
0-60 mph: 8.5 secs
1/4 mile: 16.8 at 84.7! mph or 136.3 kph"


Sorce: http://www.dsm.org/archives/1998/05/...12.txt/35.html

Ep41382

link not working

Ep41382

must be my computer then, b/c i still cant get the link to work, oh well

PiercedJD

I'd have to think the gear ratios on a 95 talon are debateable. how did they determine that 95 talons have different gear ratios? one test bed, or all vehicles manufactured that year? are the gears different part numbers in CAPS?

the gear assemblies from a 1st gen can be swapped into a 2nd gen case as long as you swap entire gear assemblies, which would explain how you could come accross a 95 anything with the same gear ratios as a 1st gen.

unless mitsubishi was just reusing first gen parts in the talon trannies for some reason, which I wouldn't put past them either.

color me skeptical.

tampamax

Bumpin...Long time no hear? Glad to see you found a ride, enjoy it! I should be at the next track day, maybe we'll run? If all goes without a hitch everything should be a go except for the slippage tranny, still haven't fixed it since way before you and i ran on 275, doh! Do you happen to know of a great tranny shop for us 'burgers' specifically an auto guru? Peace

Mr 2

Who gives a shit, shift when you need to.

psifactor

I figured this was a better topic than 3/4 of the other threads going on in mistu. tech currently. Anways, I didn't think a fwd 2g was capable of 178mph with a stock 5th gear and stock rev limiter. (Sean/poppasmirf posted differently under my name.)
I figured this may clear up how fast a dsm can travel with stock gear ratios.


any reason why you have to be such an ass?

Mr 2

I am not being an ass. I am stating that it really doesn't matter.

A 2G FWD goes 135mph, it has a speed limiter, without the speed limiter somewhere around 150mph. With lots of power around 175 on the rev limiter. Without rev limit or with different gearing the sky is the limit. Basiclly most 2gs can only do 135mph and the rest all do different speeds depends on the mods.


BTW stock DSM rims are 6.5" wide. do you have a photo of the damaged ones?