SunRiders Autox - 11/15 [Archive]

Loren

11-11-2003, 05:13 PM

Last one of the 2003 season.

Entry fee is $30 for non-members or $25 for members.

Registration is open from 8:30-9:30.

Location is our usual SPCC site.

If you've not been there, it's at:

3100 34th St S
St Petersburg, FL
33711 US

If you look at a map, these instructions will make sense:

You actually have to turn off of US19 (34th St) at 32nd or 36th Ave (there's a light at 32nd) and go East to 32nd St. The training pad is at the South end of 32nd St. You'll see us there.

Bill

11-11-2003, 06:00 PM

I'll be there.
Here's to hoping we get something other than pizza though...

Chin

11-11-2003, 07:17 PM

IM always there!

obrien2

11-11-2003, 08:35 PM

damn I was thinking it was next weekend. I was hoping to make it. Well I will just have to try and make one in jan or feb. Hope you guys have fun

Loren

11-11-2003, 09:20 PM

As a matter of fact, we've arranged for Vietnamese food. Same stuff we had at the school last month. Good stuff!

Bill

11-12-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Loren
As a matter of fact, we've arranged for Vietnamese food. Same stuff we had at the school last month. Good stuff!

Are you serious? I was excited when we got ham sandwiches, this'll put me over the top. :D:D:D

Loren

11-12-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Bill
Are you serious? I was excited when we got ham sandwiches, this'll put me over the top. :D:D:D

Our club treasurer has connections with a local Vietnamese restaurant owner who does catering. :)

4wdFury

11-12-2003, 02:41 PM

Sweet, hey can I run timing again loren?

-Chin

Loren

11-12-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by 4wdFury
Sweet, hey can I run timing again loren?

Only if you pick a competent person and train them how to do it, too. :)

(See how that works? Delegate, delegate, delegate... then I don't have to do shit!)

Hey, I'm all for it, Matt. You've got the basic system down. You should try to get with Brian and learn how to set it up, too. It's always good to have more people who know how to do that sort of thing.

oilleak

11-12-2003, 03:13 PM

Yeah Matt,
If you want to do timing that's cool by me. Maybe Dan ought to help out with that as co-chair. I'll leave it up to him though. If you want to learn how to set up the stuff, we'll probabley do that around 8am. It's easy to set up.
Loren, do you have the timer batteries, if so, remeber to give them a charge friday night - then remember to bring them Saturday morning. That's always my fear - "Yeah, they're fully charged... And sitting on my desk in Riverview"

Loren

11-12-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by oilleak
Loren, do you have the timer batteries, if so, remeber to give them a charge friday night - then remember to bring them Saturday morning. That's always my fear - "Yeah, they're fully charged... And sitting on my desk in Riverview"

Yep, I have them. I hopefully won't forget them. I've been good about taking a moment to sit and make sure I have everything before I leave for an event. I need to give them a quick touch-up charge Friday night, too.

4wdFury

11-12-2003, 03:17 PM

Haha yeah, i helped set it up last time somewhat Ill be there around then.

OversteerS2K

11-12-2003, 03:41 PM

How many runs do you guys typically get?

Loren

11-12-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by OversteerS2K
How many runs do you guys typically get?

I don't think we've done less than 7 at a regular event this year. Unless we get flooded with people, I would expect probably 8 at this event. Brian has a two-section course that will allow multiple cars on course and a start interval of pretty much as quick as we'd care to send them (20-25 seconds easily). That's all it takes to get lots of runs.

Chin

11-12-2003, 04:15 PM

Brian or loren send me the track layout please! I wanna see what corners I can ummm, let lose on hahahah

Loren

11-12-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Chin180sx
Brian or loren send me the track layout please! I wanna see what corners I can ummm, let lose on hahahah

I can think of at least 4 turns that would be "driftable" on the most recent version of the course that I have seen. Two of them are tightish, one is the usual "big sweeper" on the East end, and one is somewhere between. I'll let Brian post his course if he wants to.

oilleak

11-12-2003, 05:11 PM

Ahh, what the hell - we're not giving out any trophies anyway.

neurovish

11-12-2003, 08:02 PM

aww crap...I hope that corner near the end doesn't turn out to be 1st gear material

Chin

11-12-2003, 08:08 PM

The actuall Finish is before that, since it cannot go out of that black box around it (safety area) thats more of a slow down area.

oilleak

11-12-2003, 08:15 PM

The left hander after the sweeper will be a 1st gear turn. You could do it in second but you'll be way down in the revs. Good excuse to learn how to brake and rev-match a down shift while turning. I would have liked to open that up more but there's no way with how little space we have to work with at SPJC. I wanted to have a couple of lefts (oops - I mean rights, dyslexya you know) on the course as well as all those rights (No, lefts - damned directionally challenged fool!). It should be relatively fast as far as SR courses go.

Loren

11-12-2003, 09:48 PM

There's nothing inherently wrong with having to downshift to first gear. Not getting to shift OUT of first gear kinda sucks sometimes.

I think the turn he was talking about was the last right before the squiggle at the finish. It probalby will be first gear... but what's wrong with that? Gives you a good strong acceleration through the finish.

Most of the rest of the course should be 2nd gear, though. Pretty unusual for that site.

4wdFury

11-12-2003, 10:38 PM

I'll be there

OversteerS2K

11-12-2003, 10:42 PM

Brian, the course looks fun.
Wish I could go.

oilleak

11-12-2003, 10:44 PM

You workin' Saturday?

Neal

11-12-2003, 10:47 PM

Looks and sounds like fun... I am going to be going through withdrawal for a little while. I won't be able to make it out. Have fun everyone.

Evil247

11-12-2003, 11:18 PM

I want to start but I just don't have the funds right now. When's the next learning one?

Loren

11-12-2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Evil247
I want to start but I just don't have the funds right now. When's the next learning one?

They are all learning ones, my man. Even those of us who think we know what we're doing are still learning.

You could wait for a "school" type event to come up, but don't! Just come to a regular autocross when you can, there are always people around who are willing to help you learn.

robofunc

11-12-2003, 11:54 PM

I'll be there. I'm a sucker for those little mushrooms.

Imperial TSi AWD

11-13-2003, 09:58 PM

Last Auto-X event of the year...

Count me in. What time should I arrive for registration?

4wdFury

11-13-2003, 09:58 PM

any advice for those 1st gear turns for those of us who can't downshift to first w/o grinding the crap out of the gear?

mofugga

11-13-2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by 4wdFury
any advice for those 1st gear turns for those of us who can't downshift to first w/o grinding the crap out of the gear?
leave it in 2nd you'll probably be faster & 2.5rs' are geared pretty low anyways;)

Loren

11-13-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Imperial TSi AWD
Last Auto-X event of the year...

Count me in. What time should I arrive for registration?

Pardon me, I'm going to pull a Leonard and bitch slap you. :D

Read the first post in this thread! I put all the basic info right there so I wouldn't have to answer such questions.

Loren

11-13-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by 4wdFury
any advice for those 1st gear turns for those of us who can't downshift to first w/o grinding the crap out of the gear?

What he said. Just stay in 2nd if you can. But if you can't...

Try double-clutching, it might help synch the input shaft speed and allow you to drop into first easier. Maybe a throttle blip, too.

This will take some practice. Not the sort of thing you're going to learn AT an autocross.

w0rd

11-13-2003, 10:15 PM

I had been planning on attending for a while. But last night I came down with the flu. Sounds like a lot of people are going also. This sucks. Oh well, if anyone is going to Zephyrhills next weekend, see you there.

Chin

11-13-2003, 10:15 PM

Hahah, Damn SR20 wont let me downshift to 1st, but im going to make the rev's go high so I will be well into the powerband can you guess how? hahahaha....oh man oh and kevin be there at 8 be at my house at 7:30 mmmk?

Imperial TSi AWD

11-13-2003, 10:23 PM

Pardon me, I'm going to pull a Leonard and bitch slap you.

:nerd:

Alright. I'll be there. Just as long as we don't head out at 90+ MPH again. I don't want to lose another damn $93 door panel. :mad:

Chin

11-13-2003, 10:31 PM

Meh, we didnt lose anything going....

4wdFury

11-13-2003, 10:35 PM

ya my car is fine. Sooner we get there the better. Chin leads as usual.

neurovish

11-13-2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Loren
There's nothing inherently wrong with having to downshift to first gear. Not getting to shift OUT of first gear kinda sucks sometimes.

I think the turn he was talking about was the last right before the squiggle at the finish. It probalby will be first gear... but what's wrong with that? Gives you a good strong acceleration through the finish.

Most of the rest of the course should be 2nd gear, though. Pretty unusual for that site.

I absolutely suck at 1st gear downshifts, why do you think I always yank the ebrake around tight corners? :)
The whole braking while turning and downshifting thing I'm fine at...as long as it's anything other than first. I hate my first gear, it likes to be shifted out of...not into.
I had to deal with it at the state championships, and I'm sure everybody on the south side of the track could hear the grind.

PseudoRealityX

11-14-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by neurovish
I absolutely suck at 1st gear downshifts, why do you think I always yank the ebrake around tight corners? :)
The whole braking while turning and downshifting thing I'm fine at...as long as it's anything other than first. I hate my first gear, it likes to be shifted out of...not into.
I had to deal with it at the state championships, and I'm sure everybody on the south side of the track could hear the grind.

There were NO 1st gear turns at States, I assure you. Even the S2000 which has a 47mph first gear and is totally gutless under 6000 rpm didn't use it.

If you had to goto first, you need to work on speed maintence:nerd: :P

Muddy

11-14-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Imperial TSi AWD
Last Auto-X event of the year...

Count me in. What time should I arrive for registration?
WRONG! There is a PCA event and a GCAC event later this month. :p

oilleak

11-14-2003, 08:48 AM

Double Clutch. My old bugeye didn't have a synchro on 1st. You can practice it on the street. I do it as a matter of habbit now whenever I'm diving.

Lola56

11-14-2003, 09:19 AM

What ever happened to using the heel and toe method for downshifting?

Leonard

11-14-2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
There were NO 1st gear turns at States, I assure you. Even the S2000 which has a 47mph first gear and is totally gutless under 6000 rpm didn't use it.

If you had to goto first, you need to work on speed maintence:nerd: :P

Listen to Jesse. He maintains so much speed he's been accused of having an invisible turbo under the hood of the MR2.

Leonard

11-14-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Loren
Pardon me, I'm going to pull a Leonard and bitch slap you. :D

Read the first post in this thread! I put all the basic info right there so I wouldn't have to answer such questions.

Hey now.. that's MY job.... People, you can in fact read. Contrary to popular belief, knowledge does not make you 'uncool'....

Loren

11-14-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Leonard
Hey now.. that's MY job.... People, you can in fact read. Contrary to popular belief, knowledge does not make you 'uncool'....

Sorry, didn't mean to step on your toes. I'll just holler for you next time!

Be on the lookout for it. :cool:

Leonard

11-14-2003, 10:15 AM

I'll let it slide this time since I was outta town.... :lol:

g-50Cab

11-14-2003, 10:23 AM

How long do you guys typically last? I have no problem getting up early - but I have some time committments later in the day

oilleak

11-14-2003, 10:34 AM

Well, thanks to that little blue pill I usually last well into the night... Oh, you mean the autocross?
We're should be completely wrapped up by 3:30.

Loren

11-14-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by g-50Cab
How long do you guys typically last? I have no problem getting up early - but I have some time committments later in the day

(keeping the joke regarding how long I last vs no problem getting up to myself)

We've been wrapping up pretty early this season. Usually around 2:30-3pm.

If you really need to get out early, be there early to help set up and our event chairman may be gracious enough to allow you to run in the early group and blow off your afternoon work assignment... or at least bail out early if you need to.

g-50Cab

11-14-2003, 11:27 AM

Good god - I walked right into that one.. Doh! I wouldn't want to shirk my responsibilities - but I would need to leave around noon. Maybe I'll catch the next one when I have a little more time.

- Jeremy

OversteerS2K

11-14-2003, 01:11 PM

Double clutch, blips, huh? You just jam it in 1st, hopefully not bouncing off of the redline, get the rear wheels hopping and adjust for the inevitable oversteer (all the while hearing the rear differential case getting ready to burst)...works for me.

No really, I need to learn that too. I really suck at high RPM throttle modulation (twitcy freakin' S2K). I believe I'll play hookey and see how bad I still am in 1st gear.

99TL

11-14-2003, 04:02 PM

ill be there w/ a friend of mine (bmw 540 and m3)

The Kyle

11-14-2003, 05:42 PM

are you running or watching kris

neurovish

11-14-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
There were NO 1st gear turns at States, I assure you. Even the S2000 which has a 47mph first gear and is totally gutless under 6000 rpm didn't use it.

If you had to goto first, you need to work on speed maintence:nerd: :P

Yes, this could be why I lose GS by about 9 seconds...
I probably didn't have to go into 1st, but it sure as hell looked like a 1st gear corner and my brain immediately said 'oh no! into 1st!' without listening for counter-arguments or considering other options.

99TL

11-15-2003, 02:14 AM

running...

4wdFury

11-15-2003, 06:18 AM

ya I'll cya guys out there!

99TL

11-15-2003, 03:58 PM

that was a helluva lot of fun... can't wait for the next one i can go to.

4wdFury

11-15-2003, 03:59 PM

defiantely fun. I just need to get my sway bar in(monday :mad: )

99TL

11-15-2003, 04:01 PM

i need something other than an open diff because my 540i came stock with no traction whatsoever. helluva lot of fun though....what was your best time 4wd?

Loren

11-16-2003, 08:53 AM

I know I'm easily amused, but I thought this cracked me up.

This needs to be one of the TR header images, don't you think?

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/shad/blogpix/HighlyModified240.jpg

99TL

11-16-2003, 08:58 AM

lol....i was amused by that too. :lol:

neurovish

11-16-2003, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Loren
I know I'm easily amused, but I thought this cracked me up.

This needs to be one of the TR header images, don't you think?

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/shad/blogpix/HighlyModified240.jpg

*graphics by daniel (no idea what his name on TR is right now)
anybody get a shot of my Option2 sticker?