Double standard on nitrous?

[Cronic]

Why is it that people contest the use of nitrous as a viable means of making power? Im confused...

And when someone's putting down 700whp because of the nitrous, everyone bows down and sucks cock.... Why?

I like nitrous, I feel that it's the same as if you have to use racegas to run 20+psi, Your going to run out... or to take it down to an even lower level, it's just like filling your tank up before going to work.... your not going anywhere with out fuel.

Nitrous can be considered just as expendable as normal everyday petrol, or 110 octane...

Just my rant of the day... :shrug:

[flubyux2]

i dont admire or condone the use of nitrous or race gas to get your HP goals.

If i cant hit my HP goals w/ 93 octane and alot of boost, i move onto another platform that can support my goals.

Nitrous is an even more finite additive than fuel and has limited availability, same with race gas... i cant go down to the co'na store and get my tank filled or get some C16... which means, if i make 500 HP on a 75 shot and C16... ill be pussy-ified w/o that shit when im stuck in the middle of nowhere and can only find 93 octane.

For instance, the Talon has everything it needs to run Low 13's w/ a good driver, and can repeat this on the street withouth the aid of Nitrous or race gas... which makes Impromptu street races or stop-light jaunts that much more easier. Theres nothing that sucks more than not being able to play w/ some ricer or cocky 5.0 Fox-body and not having that Essential nitrous or C16 that you have built your motor and tuned your engine management around... when you depend on that stuff to make the horsepower you so desire and dont have the necessary means to produce that power, it suxors.

i dont bow-down or admire anyone who requires nitrous or race gas to make power numbers like that... My motto is "run what you brung". none of this shit like "Dude, i dont have race gas, i cant run you right now" Or "my bottle is almost empty, otherwise id kick your ass up and down the street" :roll:


seriously.

EDIT: im not shitting on anyone who uses Nitrous or C16 to make 700HP or whatever cuz i will give credit where credit is due. I would rather make 500 HP all the time, where ever i go, on pump gas than 700HP on C16 that i can only buy at one gas station on my side of the town and nitrous that i can only get filled at the other end of town.

[n20teg]

i drive around get very good gas milage ,but once i flip that swich its on ,i get alot of people say nitrous it cheating. well on a turbo honda if some one puts down 320whp the tq numbers r going to b like 245wtq,my car dynos at 250whp and 235wtg.so id do like nitrous ,but i wish i didnt realy as much ,

[Cronic]

Nitrous, like racegas, and normal gas, are just means of increasing power.

That's how I look at it, always have, always will.

I don't think nitrous, or racegas, or meth inj. etc, should be frowned uppon. I think it's ignorant and silly to think that using these tools is not the way to go.

You'll just never be as fast as the guy with the same setup as you, add a bottle....

[TurboJZA70]

im with cronic on this, i dont care how you made the power. its the fact that you did.

[DONT SLEEP]

cronic shut up































hahaha j/k

[flubyux2]

Originally posted by TurboJZA70
im with cronic on this, i dont care how you made the power. its the fact that you did.

no its not... thats like saying you crank the boost to the max on your turbo, then shoot 150 shot at it while on C16 and put out 650HP... but you melt a piston or lift a head while doing so... thats not worth it.

"oh yea... i laid down 650hp at the wheels... but i only did it once cuz i lifted the head" That to me isnt worth it. i dont give a shit if i have bragging rights or whatever.

Id rather make 500 HP anytime i want, any place i want to rather than make 700HP 15 times, At the track, on saturday nights.

[Cronic]

When are you going to need 700whp?

At the track.

[99B16Si]

Originally posted by Cronic
When are you going to need 700whp?

At the track.

or from a 4th gear roll:D

[TurboJZA70]

Originally posted by flubyux2


i think your taking my post to the extream, i as well as anyone, or well maby some people, know what is too much. but i repect a properly setup nitrous system as much as a do a properly setup turbo, SC, or na setup.

i dont feel the need to say "but with out the Nitrous, blah blah blah like some. if you car is faster, its faster thats all there is too it.

[NChatch]

i think i am going to stick with my theory and that is, you go to a race track to race, not to lose. you dont go to war without guns, same thing. cars that make 700+ HP need higher octane to achieve better combustion mixtures, if they put 93 in there to please evryone they would ruin an engine.

also if you make 700 on the bottle, the motor is built to handle it or you are a dumbass, that wipes his rear with 100 dollar bills.

blower, turbo, nitrous, alcohol, fast is fast.

we come in different colors and shapes, so does performance

[turbo-max]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by flubyux2
no its not... thats like saying you crank the boost to the max on your turbo, then shoot 150 shot at it while on C16 and put out 650HP... but you melt a piston or lift a head while doing so... thats not worth it.

"oh yea... i laid down 650hp at the wheels... but i only did it once cuz i lifted the head" That to me isnt worth it to me. [/QUOTE

it is to me..so stfu,n?:D

[Zate]

Originally posted by flubyux2
no its not... thats like saying you crank the boost to the max on your turbo, then shoot 150 shot at it while on C16 and put out 650HP... but you melt a piston or lift a head while doing so... thats not worth it.

"oh yea... i laid down 650hp at the wheels... but i only did it once cuz i lifted the head" That to me isnt worth it. i dont give a shit if i have bragging rights or whatever.

Id rather make 500 HP anytime i want, any place i want to rather than make 700HP 15 times, At the track, on saturday nights.

I'd rather make 500 HP anytime i want aswell..

if that happens to be 350 on the motor and an added 150 anytime i need it on a built motor.. then even better :)

nitrous is great as long as you use within your limits.. the stuff you quoted above is the exact same no matter what power adder you use.. too much boost.. or nitrous with a bad tune will kill your engine.. so you use the right amount.. and tune safely..

[catfish]

"It's not fair. You have a...supercharger/turbo/nitrous."

The rally cry of pussies everywhere.

[turbo-max]

well, i only have two of the three

[TurboJZA70]

Originally posted by turbo-max
well, i only have two of the three

gotta get that 3rd one :nerd:

[qitstrn]

The way i look at it is who ever is the fastest wins,no matter how they got there.My biggest problem with nitrous is nobody wants to admit they are spraying.If you guys like nitrous so much then what's the big secret?

[Cronic]

I'd be the first to admit I sprayed your ass. :D

[catfish]

The only problem I ever saw with nitrous is the need to refill. I would hate to know I had the power there, but I couldn't use it all the time. The little hairdryer I got is addictive. I can't imagine not having it available when and where I want it.

[qitstrn]

Originally posted by Cronic
I'd be the first to admit I sprayed your ass. :D you mean you wont run 11's on the motor?:lol:

[HybridSS]

I will not limit myself to the confines of others fears.
People that think nitrous is cheating are misinformed and usually afraid due to lack of knowledge. If you dont want to run it fine...no problem. But you will always lose to the guy who has everything you do...but also has the knowledge and balls to go that extra step.

I have been known to run a tad of juice now and then for the last few years. Ill tell you what...when i go to the track...Im prepared..when I go out on a sat night...Im prepared. I havent run out in a long time. I usually come home with atleast half a bottle left.

If I run out....I can still hang. If im hitting the juice hard that day...I run a splash of 100 unleaded..no biggie. Better to be safe than stubborn and sorry.

[Cronic]

Al, your slow. Get over it.... :D

[Slash]

The only reason i dont like nitrous is personal.... if i get addicted to a certain speed on the spray, then when i dont have the spray then i cant feed the addiction, and i have to go buy.

I just like knowing that when i floor it, it really is all i have and thats it. I dont like having "temporary" power. I realize this will cost me vs NOS users, or C16, but I dont care.

I have what i have and i like it :-P

[97blkz]

nawzzzzzz is for chetas!

[turbo-max]

how would you like to buy?

[flubyux2]

Originally posted by Slash
The only reason i dont like nitrous is personal.... if i get addicted to a certain speed on the spray, then when i dont have the spray then i cant feed the addiction, and i have to go buy.

I just like knowing that when i floor it, it really is all i have and thats it. I dont like having "temporary" power. I realize this will cost me vs NOS users, or C16, but I dont care.

I have what i have and i like it :-P

See, he understands what im gettin at.

its not a matter of someone being too big a pussy to run some juice... its a matter of becoming accustomed to it and rely on it... then when youre bottle is empty... what then? it would suck to be a balla and run 11's on the "booty juice" and then shrink to 13's when the bottle is low or empty...

its not a matter of being able to run 700 HP when ever i want... i just want to be able to run big HP all the time and not guage/plan my races on the status of my bottle. Nothing worse than bein called out and you havnig to back down cuz you know your bottle is empty but the other guy is talkin shit and callin BS... its just hurtful, ya know? :(

not having the proper setup to support Nitrous or what have you is not the issue im questioning. if you dont have the means to support that added power...thats your own damn fault.

I just like to "Run what I Brung", i like running the same times on the track and being able to take it to the street. :nerd:

[Jordan Y.]

I'm a fan of nitrous, because if you set it up and use it correctly it can be an extremely cost-effective way to make more hp when you need it most, like at the track or during a street race. That, even though I've never run my car at the track or participated in a street race, but that's beside the point. I plan to run nitrous once I'm basically finished with the rest of my setup, I'm still trying to decide if I want to just go with a basic wet fogger and run like a 50 shot possibly moving up to a 75 shot, or if I want to go all out with a direct port nitrous system running a 100 shot... or maybe more depending on my ballsiness level at the time.

[qitstrn]

Run a 150shot

[flubyux2]

the one thing i do like about Nitrous is, its ability to significantly lower intake temps... its how you get 125HP out of a 75 shot. :D

its either that or propane injection... better than water/alky injection...

[Jordan Y.]

Originally posted by qitstrn
Run a 150shot

Buy me a built motor and I will.

Seriously though, I think a 75 wet fogger or the 100 direct port would be pushing it on a stock 4g63. Even with a little ole' evo 16g a 100 shot direct port nitrous setup would be pushing the engine up near the level where people start building the engine to reliably take the abuse. I think that's as far as I would want to go, I remember how joe and all of the guys that got really fast said that they had a lot more fun running 12's in their dsm's than they did running 11's. My eventual goal with the nitrous would be to hit 11.90s with decent consistency, so I'd be running right on the edge of the abyss. :mullet:

[Half Fast]

Originally posted by HybridSS
If I run out....I can still hang.

Al's right. Best N20 setup is on a car that's already strong all motor. The juice is good for when you just need that extra push. :D

Having to depend on the bottle to be quick at all would suck. I've never been able to figure out why people put a N20 kit on an otherwise stock car. :dunno:

[Nick]

Originally posted by HybridSS
I will not limit myself to the confines of others fears.
People that think nitrous is cheating are misinformed and usually afraid due to lack of knowledge. If you dont want to run it fine...no problem. But you will always lose to the guy who has everything you do...but also has the knowledge and balls to go that extra step.

I have been known to run a tad of juice now and then for the last few years. Ill tell you what...when i go to the track...Im prepared..when I go out on a sat night...Im prepared. I havent run out in a long time. I usually come home with atleast half a bottle left.

If I run out....I can still hang. If im hitting the juice hard that day...I run a splash of 100 unleaded..no biggie. Better to be safe than stubborn and sorry.

This is comming from a racer and not a ''pussy'' I agree with Al 100%.. :D :D :D

[Nick]

Originally posted by 97blkz
nawzzzzzz is for chetas!

Its not cheating they sell it to everybody...:D I ran 26psi and a 100 shot and I beat alot of people and some complained but that not my fault I came out prepaired..

[flubyux2]

Originally posted by Half Fast
Al's right. Best N20 setup is on a car that's already strong all motor. The juice is good for when you just need that extra push. :D

Having to depend on the bottle to be quick at all would suck. I've never been able to figure out why people put a N20 kit on an otherwise stock car. :dunno:
:w/stupid:

See, its fine to run nitrous if you dont NEED it to be fast... for people who are already fast but might need the "Racer's Edge" if they happen to bite off a little more than they chew... but if your car is a 16 second monster w/o the juice.... that just aint right, you obviously need all the help you can get, but still... its like cheating on your homework and then if theres a pop Quiz... you wont have the answeres and youll fail. Id rather study (build a strong motor and have the boost) so i can be prepared for pretty much anything instead of the possibility of being caught off guard w/ an empty bottle and a 200 BHP street demon :roll:

[qitstrn]

Originally posted by flubyux2
:w/stupid:

See, its fine to run nitrous if you dont NEED it to be fast... for people who are already fast but might need the "Racer's Edge" if they happen to bite off a little more than they chew... but if your car is a 16 second monster w/o the juice.... that just aint right, you obviously need all the help you can get, but still... its like cheating on your homework and then if theres a pop Quiz... you wont have the answeres and youll fail. Id rather study (build a strong motor and have the boost) so i can be prepared for pretty much anything instead of the possibility of being caught off guard w/ an empty bottle and a 200 BHP street demon :roll: I agree. You can tell Al did alot of homework. It's not all nitrous and who cares. It rides out!!!:burnout: Thats the last I saw of Al and his bottles:lol:

[racingtheburg]

You dont neeeed nitrous to go fast but it will make you faster. See there is this saying there is someone that is always faster then you haha he was probbly using a 200 shot with a smaller motor (jk around) and he beat you cuz he had more.ITs like a turbo or blower or ne forced induction they all help you make power but some are better then others depending on what you are doing with your car.If i had a choice of either nitrous turbo or blower i would go nitrous easyer to tune with out many modifications.Also best bang for buck that i have seen but that is what i think. I might just lean towards nitrous cause I will be running it,and think its cheap hp.

2 cents

[???]

boost is cheating!


































ok quick question. i was reading this post and wondering what you n2o and race gas haters think is fast enought on the motor(and 93) to allow the use of n2o.


seems like everyones thing is, its not fast all the time. say my car runs low 12s on the motor is that good enought to not have the bottle turned on, on the way to work?

[Cronic]

*shrug* I run low boost (11psi) daily, and when I goto the track (or the street ;) ) I goto high boost and run 15.

[DrDirt]

Those who cry that nitrous, blower, turbo are cheating are the ones who just lost the race because they brought a knife to a gunfight. Pay them no mind. It's just whining and excuse making. It's no different than adding heads and a cam or any other performance part. If you didn't add enough, don't try to blame it on the guy who did.

[InsaneCivicCoupe]

my civic right now is only boosted but due to turbo lag coming out of the hole i dont think its at its peak potential so i was even thinking about buying my old kit back to spray a little 50 out of the hole to cure that little bit of lag and then cut it off around 6 in 1st and run on just the boost the rest of the race..... plus ill have it there for those bridge runs when someone might start pullin :wink: but for now shes good for the rolls just take her to about 35-40 in second and stomp the gas and she just dips down and scoots out.....