Can you really beat the Viper Guy? [Archive]

Fast240Z

08-22-2003, 10:38 AM

As I sit here in front of my computer and read how there are those of you who think after being beat by the Viper guy last weekend you can still win. I sit hear and laugh, how dumb can these guys be? Lets bottom line it, the more money you have, the faster you can go. The Viper guy makes more in one year than I do in ten. Enough said.

With that said, I am not trying to spoil it for VG in future visits, but what the hell are some of you thinking? This guy knows what he is doing and if he is willing to race you, then you have already lost! The only hope you have is if he breaks. By no means do I think he is unbeatable, just you should think twice when he approaches you wanting to set something up. If your car doesn't run deep in the single digits on the street then you have nothing for this guy!

Hasn't history taught us anything, here comes a car from out of town willing to race anyone as long as you have money! He comes along a beats everyone by just enough. Al, you said you were starting to gain on him, please! You are being suckered into beliving you have a chance the next time. That's how the game is played and the next time you will still lose by just enough, just like everyone else will.

In conclusion, I can't wait for Chris to come back. He is a nice guy who shares alot of the same values as I do. I know he will still find those of you willing to race him, more power to ya.

Mark

Billy

08-22-2003, 10:42 AM

And I'd like to actually be out and meet him on one of his visits. Pedaling is a fine art that many seem to have forgotten about in recent years.

Gunslinger09

08-22-2003, 10:49 AM

Everybody meets someone faster eventualy. Maybe Al can't match the ViperGuy $ for $ but he is a skilled Mechanic and fabricator. Sometimes knowledge and skill can out perform cubic dollars.

DinoZ

08-22-2003, 11:04 AM

Is that ACRs big brother or something?!? I mean, ACR is a cheerleader for the Skittles and they're a Dodge, and now Fast240 is cheerleading for the ViperGuy, and that's a Dodge, too! :lol: I'm going to have to get a Dodge, just so I can have somebody on my jock, too!! :lol:

HybridSS

08-22-2003, 12:39 PM

Well...thanks for calling me stupid.

But dont you think that has crossed my mind?
You wont catch me getting into a big money race with the ViperGuy or anyone else for that matter. But my car is a work in progress that certainly has the power to go single digits in the 140s. Still alot to do yet. I think if I want to have a freindly go with one of the fastest street cars in Fl for $50 when he visits town every other month....thats my perrogative. Wouldnt you agree?

Bald Guy

08-22-2003, 01:46 PM

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Chris

08-22-2003, 02:25 PM

Hmmmm, well Chris came out here with a Z06 last year and didn't have enough for Steve (Race495) and had the same - I'll race the fastest car here - speech.

Look - big props to Chris for a nice upgrade from the last performance, but don't think that someone like Al won't have the skills or abilities to make the match up closer next time. I mean hell - I could lead plenty of cars by a fender each time - but sooner or later - I'll run out of pedal...

Fast240Z

08-22-2003, 02:51 PM

Well, I didn't think I was going to pull at so many heart strings. Al I am not calling you stupid, just I think you got duped into racing a car much faster than yours. Pride can make you do funny things. Nobody saw my running up to him asking to race and I am sure everyone knows how fast my car is.

I am certainly not cheering on Chris , I am just saying," didn't you learn anything from the spanking you recieved?" The old saying holds very true,' fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

The day I race Chris I will be ready and I will have no excuses if I lose as I hope Chris will have no excuses if he loses.

Al, everybody's car is a work in progress. I haven't met anyone yet who has said," today my car is as fast as it will ever go." We all have grand plans for our current ride.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-22-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Gunslinger09
Everybody meets someone faster eventualy. Maybe Al can't match the ViperGuy $ for $ but he is a skilled Mechanic and fabricator. Sometimes knowledge and skill can out perform cubic dollars.

Sure there is always someone faster out there. I think Al is a pretty smart guy, but cubic $ can buy someone smarter to work on your car.

Mark

shalane

08-22-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Fast240Z
and I am sure everyone knows how fast my car is.
i dont know how fast your car is and with your attitude i dont think to many people care

DONT SLEEP

08-22-2003, 03:01 PM

oh you done fucked up now. SHALANE added some sence into this. SHAME ON YOU

Half Fast

08-22-2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by shalane
i dont know how fast your car is and with your attitude i dont think to many people care

:doh:

Scott

08-22-2003, 03:24 PM

I hate when people make a statement for other people's cars but I have to say this regardless.

If I can get the Indy Z down here anytime soon I will go at it with any street legal car that wants a race. :smirk:

That is not being cocky or a smartass. But the Z runs the same #'s everytime (trust me :smirk: ).

Plus I would like to see how the Z runs now that it has been given additional power.

Met Viper Guy at the track and he seems like a good guy and I look forward to the Track Event make-up date and all of the heavy hitters that are scheduled to show.

But as others have said in this post there is always someone faster and everyones car is a work in progres.

BlackZ28

08-22-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by FordMan
I hate when people make a statement for other people's cars but I have to say this regardless.

If I can get the Indy Z down here anytime soon I will go at it with any street legal car that wants a race. :smirk:

That is not being cocky or a smartass. But the Z runs the same #'s everytime (trust me :smirk: ).

Plus I would like to see how the Z runs now that it has been given additional power.

Met Viper Guy at the track and he seems like a good guy and I look forward to the Track Event make-up date and all of the heavy hitters that are scheduled to show.

But as others have said in this post there is always someone faster and everyones car is a work in progres.

no offense or anything, but ive seen that Z before, i worship it. its THE monster in my dreams, but ive been waiting to see it in action for about 2 years now with "ill try to bring it out" or "if i can get a hold of it" or "if i can find some race gas" x1000 excuses. please refrain from making my heart stop for a few beats until it CAN ACTUALLY COME OUT. cuz everytime some1 mentions it, my heart stops beating, my balls swell, and i get an erection :monkspk:

97blkz

08-22-2003, 05:25 PM

It takes one driver error and the race can go to the other driver!

shalane

08-22-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by BlackZ28
cuz everytime some1 mentions it, my heart stops beating, my balls swell, and i get an erection :monkspk: wow....you coulda left that part out

shoebox

08-22-2003, 05:36 PM

..I agree with a lot of the points made and the contradictions to those points. The bottom line is, you never know unless you go.

As for Chris's car, granted it is sick, and an amazing street car, but if you think his car is something, you all need to come down here and see some of the other street cars that come out, you will not believe what you are seeing. :o Chris's car is mixed in with a very high class of street cars around here, but it is not the fastest for sure.

limey

08-22-2003, 05:49 PM

Mark,

What kind or reaction did you expect from the guys on the list, of course you was going to pull at "strings" it goes with the territory.

Chris is by no means un-beatable, not only a few weeks ago did he loose to a Z06 down in his neighbourhood, he keeps coming back to Tampa for ONE reason, he hasn't lost yet!
Blimey, i would keep coming back too if i was making money, i mean lets face it, what a nice way to spend a Saturday night, cruising up and down I75 in a beautiful & fast car & cruising home with a nice wad of spondoolies to boot.
Many guys i know are a bit leerious to race Chris, why you ask? Well, because he is so confident, that's why, it goes a long way in life, when you are so confident & can back it up, you've bought got it made.
I have no worries that Chris can be beat, that's a fact, he is very beatable, but like i have said in a couple posts before, if you can't hook, you're going to loose EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Rule #1 in almost any sporting event (Believe me, Drag Racing is no different), is Know what your competition is bringing to the table, & go prepared, or go home skint!

Limey.

Fast240Z

08-22-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by shoebox
..I agree with a lot of the points made and the contradictions to those points. The bottom line is, you never know unless you go.

Sure, go if you want. All I am saying is if you lose the first time what makes you think you will win the second time? This guy is a player, don't get played.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-22-2003, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by FordMan
If I can get the Indy Z down here anytime soon I will go at it with any street legal car that wants a race. :smirk:

Never heard of the Indy Z? What's the story.

Mark

shoebox

08-22-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Fast240Z
Sure, go if you want. All I am saying is if you lose the first time what makes you think you will win the second time? This guy is a player, don't get played.

Mark

I agree if you lose the first time, you better have a lot more for the second time, since you have no clue if the other guy gave it all he had.

As for me getting "played" by Chris, I plan on racing him once I am finished up with my car. We are friends though, so win, lose, or draw, neither one of us will feel like we were "played". Its all about fun. :)

Sneakin Deacon

08-22-2003, 08:06 PM

Limey, have you raced viper guy yet? i heard you had a little bit of car trouble a little while ago and didnt know if you got it back together to run him or not.

limey

08-22-2003, 08:58 PM

No, as of today, i haven't raced "Viper Guy".

Chris invited me to his neck of the woods & i was pleased to accept his invitation, initially i had planned on going down around the end of August, but as you know, i had a misshap with the motor, it appears i bent a Valve when either a Valve spring broke or a lifter collapsed causing the piston to smack the valve.

I'm hoping to get the motor back in 2 weeks but only if it's a bent valve, if it damaged the piston & liner, then i'm out of commission for probably 2 more months at best.

Tata.

HybridSS

08-23-2003, 12:14 AM

Al I am not calling you stupid, just I think you got duped into racing a car much faster than yours.

Thats fine...but you dont know the circumstances about that race. No one was duped. I had front row seats for the previous race and saw exactly what the Viper did. Brandon and I discussed it and we had already decided that I would likely loose. I continued with the race for two reasons. 1) to actually see how the Viper comes out of the hole in person 2) to get some actual seat time on my car since its been a while.
So you can draw conclusions if you like...but without first hand knowledge of the situation those conclusions will usually be wrong.

JKD COBRA

08-23-2003, 12:49 AM

fast240Z - WHO CARES! What happend to just enjoying our cars. If they want to race for money thats their choice. But why are you so serious about street races??? Who cares if the guy was sandbagging, who cares if he gave it all he had and almost lost to al. . . WHO CARES. I am sure the viper guy and al both had a great time running their cars, isn't that what its about? Besides, they weren't at the track, it was just a street race.

Listen, there will never be any professional race teams scouting for drivers on sat night in tampa so there is no reason to take this so seriously and call al names for racing this guy. They both talked it over and decided to have a quick run, thats their choice, they can do whatever they want with their cars. Stay out of it.

streetheat

08-23-2003, 12:58 AM

Mark,

will he race Jimmy Stoupas? his car is tagged and insured, I believe you know both cars well enough? Jimmy"s game

dont let the parachute fool you.....it's fake....it's kinda like a ricer having a aluminum wing

TheShow50h

08-23-2003, 12:59 AM

HybridSS

08-23-2003, 01:04 AM

The other possibilty I have considered here.....Are you sure you just arent trying to prevent Chris from getting ANY races here in Tampa due to the bad blood between his camp and yours? Basically trying to scare everyone away? I hope thats not the case because I personally have no loyalty to anyone. I have actually known Viper Guy for almost three years now and he has always been straight up.

Scott

08-23-2003, 01:13 AM

Maybe we can settle all this 'ish here:

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105574

Then you can go at it again afterwards "on the street" if you would like.

I know who is coming and there are some additional suprises from the Miami area. :evil2:

Lets see who shows.

chevette4life

08-23-2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Fast240Z
Nobody saw my running up to him asking to race and I am sure everyone knows how fast my car is.

i don't know how fast your car is, you wanna run the chevette?

351coupe

08-23-2003, 02:16 AM

get him chevette!LOL

race495

08-23-2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by CopMagnetLS1
Hmmmm, well Chris came out here with a Z06 last year and didn't have enough for Steve (Race495) and had the same - I'll race the fastest car here - speech.

WoW! Until you told me tonight I had no idea that Viper Guy was the same one from last year. Seems like he has upped his combo a little now. Of course I added about 10psi since then.

So I guess I am one of the only Tampa car's that has beaten Viper Guy? (that is in the Z06)

Strokd85

08-23-2003, 08:23 AM

hmmmm.. I should see about tagging my car if possible, this sounds like it could be fun....

Fast240Z

08-23-2003, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by HybridSS
The other possibilty I have considered here.....Are you sure you just arent trying to prevent Chris from getting ANY races here in Tampa due to the bad blood between his camp and yours? Basically trying to scare everyone away? I hope thats not the case because I personally have no loyalty to anyone. I have actually known Viper Guy for almost three years now and he has always been straight up.

Al, no that never entered my mind. That would be a childish highschool game. Chris will always be able to get races no matter what I might say here. I hope he comes back soon, he really spices things up.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-23-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by 97blkz
It takes one driver error and the race can go to the other driver!

I would hate to bet on a race knowing the only way for me to win was for the other guy to make a mistake. Sure it could happen, but I am not going to lose money on it.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-23-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by JKD COBRA
fast240Z - WHO CARES! What happend to just enjoying our cars. If they want to race for money thats their choice. But why are you so serious about street races??? Who cares if the guy was sandbagging, who cares if he gave it all he had and almost lost to al. . . WHO CARES. I am sure the viper guy and al both had a great time running their cars, isn't that what its about? Besides, they weren't at the track, it was just a street race.

Listen, there will never be any professional race teams scouting for drivers on sat night in tampa so there is no reason to take this so seriously and call al names for racing this guy. They both talked it over and decided to have a quick run, thats their choice, they can do whatever they want with their cars. Stay out of it.

I am not trying to pick any fights or make enemies or call anyone names. Maybe I just don't get it? Please tell me your reasoning so I can understand how some of you think you can beat this guy after being beat. As for the question of who cares? Well I care about losing money. If you want to see how your car will fair against the viper, go for it, it's your money.

There is a differance between being serious and being smart. If anyone enjoys having fun out in the car, it's me. I love to drive my car around, it's a blast. Sure it's just a street race, but why lose your money if you don't have to. Whether your on the street or at the track it is still a race.

I would you all to sit back and see it from my point of view. I just hate to guys lose over and over again. If you want to race, have at it. If you win great, if you lose don't lose a second or a third time. It just doesn't make any sense unless you have made a change worth a rerace.

I hope that I can get as many races when I come out next time. After all I wasn't willing to race Chris last weekend and some of you were. So you all logically should be willing to race me. Please let me know.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-23-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by chevette4life
i don't know how fast your car is, you wanna run the chevette?

I thought I already asked you for a race? I will give you an 1/8 mile head start in a 1/4 mile race at the track. Let me know.

Mark

Fast240Z

08-23-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by streetheat
Mark,

will he race Jimmy Stoupas? his car is tagged and insured, I believe you know both cars well enough? Jimmy"s game

dont let the parachute fool you.....it's fake....it's kinda like a ricer having a aluminum wing

I am sure he would. I would love to see Jimmy out with his car. I don't think the chute is fake!

Mark

Strokd85

08-23-2003, 11:59 AM

Jimmy's car would be an interesting match..

JKD COBRA

08-23-2003, 04:19 PM

Please tell me your reasoning so I can understand how some of you think you can beat this guy

You missed my point, I never said I can beat him. What I said was who cares if I can't??? Like I said, this isn't some national championship in top fuel or funny cars. There isn't any jobs on the line. It was just a street race. If we were competing for a spot on some professional race team than I can see a reason to take it this seriously. But were not. Maybe I just don't understand where your coming from. But I just don't see the big deal.

Billy

08-23-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by JKD COBRA
You missed my point, I never said I can beat him. What I said was who cares if I can't??? Like I said, this isn't some national championship in top fuel or funny cars. There isn't any jobs on the line. It was just a street race. If we were competing for a spot on some professional race team than I can see a reason to take it this seriously. But were not. Maybe I just don't understand where your coming from. But I just don't see the big deal. When I used to go out to the races a few years ago, all the guys I was with took it very seriously. They built their cars to run on the street and ran for money every time. Personally, I don't mind running someone just to see how I fare, but if I were to build a purpose built car then I want to win and earn some money in the process. You and your car are compeating on a totally different playing field then the old school big boys, that is why they take it as seriously as they do.

HybridSS

08-23-2003, 06:28 PM

Please tell me your reasoning so I can understand how some of you think you can beat this guy after being beat.

Well Mark..using that logic Floyd should not have raced him a second time. But of course Floyd knew he had more for the Viper.

Ill basically say it like this. My race against the viper was a 6 on a scale of 1-10. Of course the Viper always bring his 10 with him. As soon as I race him...and I feel I have gotten that 10 from my car then Ill be happy....win or lose. It may be two months from now...or a year. But it will happen again, and when it does I will bring a lil more to the table.

I just dont understand your logic at all. And I believe your overhyping Chris and his car a bit. Amost as if he has psyched you out. We are all going to continue modding our cars to a certain level. You almost sound as if we should all just give up. I personally think that if you could get out of the hole within any reasonable distance of Chris...you would easliy win by a fair margin.

Zate

08-24-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Fast240Z
I thought I already asked you for a race? I will give you an 1/8 mile head start in a 1/4 mile race at the track. Let me know.

Mark

haha.. oh you'd be a silly silly man to give the chevette anything ;)

Sneakin Deacon

08-24-2003, 07:52 PM

ok just to basically settle this arguement...there is always going to be someone faster... even John Force doesnt win all of his races. Viper Guy is very beatable...but the cost of the performance to make any car as quick as it is the hindering part of the equation. i would flat out tell you right now, if i had 100k dollars to play with...there is little to no chance anyone would beat me...but i dont have 100k to play with and i doubt i ever will. hence money being the biggest factor of it all.

Viper Guy

08-25-2003, 12:20 AM

This is good stuff guys. Kinda funny. But have fun. We all like to race. Man am I really this big player? I'm only 5.5 LOL

Limmy,

I never lost to a Z06. That is not why I come to Tampa. Where do you get your info? I have a home in Tampa and stay there from time to time. Your a funny guy some times Limmy. LOL

race495

08-25-2003, 03:41 AM

So Viper Guy are you the one that had the Z06 up here last year?

Viper Guy

08-25-2003, 11:03 AM

race495,

Yes that was me. I raced a fast s/c Mustang from HIS 40 roll and I got him. Not by much. Than we raced again from HIS 40 roll and I ran out of NOS and he beat me bad. But would love to run from MY dig next time with the Viper. Nice guy, do you know him?

Sneakin Deacon

08-25-2003, 11:07 AM

I believe you lost to Race495 in your Z06.

race495

08-25-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Viper Guy
race495,

Yes that was me. I raced a fast s/c Mustang from HIS 40 roll and I got him. Not by much. Than we raced again from HIS 40 roll and I ran out of NOS and he beat me bad. But would love to run from MY dig next time with the Viper. Nice guy, do you know him?

Yeah I know him, it was me. Ummm, it was definitely NOT from my 40 mph roll as I let you take the hit the first time AND decide when to go, hell I was in third at 3300 rpms and making no boost (plus I only made 5 lbs that night due to massive belt slip). I also beat you the first run and then when we turned around we went from a SLOWER roll (read I was in second gear) and I pretty much walked away, now you may have been out of nitrous I don't know but that is the breaks of the game when you want to spray.

Anyway, it was fun and there were MANY witnesses to the races (Fusion was in the passenger seat). It was fun, that is the only thing I care to remember.

As far as racing the Viper, sure why not. Tell you what 2 races, one from a stop and one from a roll (see who has the power).

Hopefully next time you are up I will see you out as we didn't exactly get to chat much as I think you had more pressing matters in your passenger seat that night.

Strongest Man In The World

08-25-2003, 03:58 PM

i was behind the second race (from a 2nd gear roll) and the cobra rode out nicely.

Viper Guy

08-25-2003, 09:50 PM

race495,

You lost the first race with the Z06. I ran out of NOS on the second race. The Vet only ran 10.89 / to slow so I got the Viper. But like you said we had fun. Who likes details any ways.

Man your car is fast and with more boost, ge, I think the Viper will have a hard time. I gave it some thought and I think it would be great to have 2 races. Only 1320 ft, and bring $$.

Scott

08-25-2003, 10:17 PM

I smell another big race for Sept 12 th.

The real Roadrunner

08-25-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Viper Guy
race495,

You lost the first race with the Z06. I ran out of NOS on the second race. The Vet only ran 10.89 / to slow so I got the Viper. But like you said we had fun. Who likes details any ways.

Man your car is fast and with more boost, ge, I think the Viper will have a hard time. I gave it some thought and I think it would be great to have 2 races. Only 1320 ft, and bring $$.

Viper guy i'm working on a race for you ... A viper just like yours, same color , same year ... And i 'm guessing here but very close ETs and MPH ...He lives in Lakeland but is in Va working know.. I talked to him about your car and he said he would love to have a shot at it... He should have sometime in the upcoming weeks to come over to tampa ..Let me Know when your coming this way and i'll try to put something together...:)

And if you don't mind waiting i would like to get a shot at your viper too ..I'm in the middle of building a new car...I hope you will come up this way from time to time... I'll get the car done if the creek dont rise and my hands dont wear out ..:D Lee..

Viper Guy

08-25-2003, 10:59 PM

Lee,

Good luck with your car. Is this Lee with the BTR on the Viper?

The real Roadrunner

08-25-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Viper Guy
Lee,

Good luck with your car. Is this Lee with the BTR on the Viper?

Viperguy his name is Lee and so is mine but you will have to clue me in on what BTR is ?? I can tell you the motor has never been apart and he does spray it.. Lee..

Viper Guy

08-26-2003, 12:25 PM

The Real Road Runner,

Lee is some one I met through Tom Welch. Tom owns and runs a shop called BTR that does NOS on Vipers using propain. Lee S. Viper is good for 9.71 in the mid 140's / should be a good race for me off the track if it is him. If it is Lee S. the motor has been compleatly apart and worked heavly. Eather way I will take your call out.

The real Roadrunner

08-26-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Viper Guy
The Real Road Runner,

Lee is some one I met through Tom Welch. Tom owns and runs a shop called BTR that does NOS on Vipers using propain. Lee S. Viper is good for 9.71 in the mid 140's / should be a good race for me off the track if it is him. If it is Lee S. the motor has been compleatly apart and worked heavly. Eather way I will take your call out.

Chris yes it is Lee S i do all the work on his cars ... and i know for sure the motor has never even had the valve covers off .. but anyway i will get in touch with lee and see if we can put something together .. Lee Loves to race on the street and so does his dad .... We just have to get him to stop working so hard and have some fun ... Lee..:)

Viper Guy

08-26-2003, 01:55 PM

Lee,

Lee is cool. I must say he must have the fastest STOCK NOS Viper in the world. 9.71 at over 140 mph. Even Lee said at Braidington @ the Viper Vet shoot out that his car had ported heads, T&D's, but the stock cam.

Good luck on your car. Souns like you wrench on alot of hight $$ cars. Wonder what ya got ? :)

JuicedSS262

08-26-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Viper Guy
The Real Road Runner,

Lee is some one I met through Tom Welch. Tom owns and runs a shop called BTR that does NOS on Vipers using propain.

Damn dude, that's a great way to make power, without having to use race gas, don't ya think? :roll:

Should be some nice race's here in the future too.

Regarding what Mark with the 240 is trying to say:

There is a lot of poker being played when races are being set up for $. I knew that I did not have a good enough hand to beat the Viper, and was not going to give Chris my money to have it re-iterated on the street. My choice. I still had a good time, and welcome Chris back, he has my respect, but not my $$$ ;)

Dan

Viper Guy

08-26-2003, 02:18 PM

JuicedSS262,

LOL. Thanks Dan. Remember meeting in the rain @ the track. To funny!!

Cosmo

08-26-2003, 03:56 PM

Sorry for butting in here but Fast240Z is just trying to stop the bleeding and help out in the form of friendly advice. Viper is using a strategy that most of today's street racers dont have the HP or know how to pull off. Mark is merely trying to explain it to save a fellow street racer some hard earned $ and pride.

Ive known Mark for about 15 years and street raced with him all over the Tampa Bay area and I know he is just trying help out.

Now about street races, isnt this site called Tampa Racing and that's what we talk about here???

Viper Guy

08-26-2003, 09:47 PM

I have no beef with Mark. I like the guy. Love his car. Wish I had one. He even has the org. 240 emblem on the car. Real cool trick stuff. I know where he is comming from. We talked for some time on the phone befor he posted here. I really do not think he is " save a fellow street racer some hard earned $ and pride. "

If that was the case he would be telling every one here that Floyd and Scott will take your $$ to. Trust me there are way faster cars than mine in the 1/4.

Things have changed big time up where you all are since the Viper has showed up for the first time. I'm glad. It is nice to see you guys really enjoy the compitition. The track Event that Ford Man is putting on should show most on this TR.com what racing is really about. It is going to be a great event for most that go, and to have a good chance to see some really, really fast cars. Hope you go, and enjoy the fun

qitstrn

08-27-2003, 10:25 AM

i've heard alot about viper guy and i spend alot of time in south florida so i know whats out there. alot of fast cars. i deal with frank at southern florida performance if you dont know he's one of the tpo tuners has a full interior cvic with 750+hp r ran 10.30 2 weeks ago. thats just a honda. I laughed when i heard someone from miami was taking peoples money. It's a differnt world down there. So tampa people watch out don't lose your money. If i could afford to put a 700hp motor in my car then i would be rich!! you cant tell what someone has anymore alot of you cant get it start watching some tv like it or not imports are just as fast at domestics. supras low 9's on the street. maybe some people from tampa should drive to moroso and see whats up because it's apparent that the viper is coming here for some reason (he's right there are cars faster in s florida i guess the guy with the viper and tampas money is the smart one)

Dragin

08-27-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Fast240Z
There is a differance between being serious and being smart. If anyone enjoys having fun out in the car, it's me. I love to drive my car around, it's a blast. Sure it's just a street race, but why lose your money if you don't have to. Whether your on the street or at the track it is still a race.

I would you all to sit back and see it from my point of view. I just hate to guys lose over and over again. If you want to race, have at it. If you win great, if you lose don't lose a second or a third time. It just doesn't make any sense unless you have made a change worth a rerace.

Mark

Mark,

Losing a race is not a bad thing, Its what motivates people to strive harder to improve on there cars. If you lose some money in the process, Oh well, Just think how much money people have in there cars to start with.... Its all money, How many of us have put a combo together and then changed something and LOST money in the process.. I know I have. So if anyone goes out and loses to him, Its only motivating them to get more power or traction. Thats just the way the game is played.

Steve

The real Roadrunner

08-27-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by qitstrn
i've heard alot about viper guy and i spend alot of time in south florida so i know whats out there. alot of fast cars. i deal with frank at southern florida performance if you dont know he's one of the tpo tuners has a full interior cvic with 750+hp r ran 10.30 2 weeks ago. thats just a honda. I laughed when i heard someone from miami was taking peoples money. It's a differnt world down there. So tampa people watch out don't lose your money. If i could afford to put a 700hp motor in my car then i would be rich!! you cant tell what someone has anymore alot of you cant get it start watching some tv like it or not imports are just as fast at domestics. supras low 9's on the street. maybe some people from tampa should drive to moroso and see whats up because it's apparent that the viper is coming here for some reason (he's right there are cars faster in s florida i guess the guy with the viper and tampas money is the smart one)

I'm sorry but i have to laugh:lol: A honda with 750+ hp and runs 10.30s :lol: My 63 plymouth weighed in at 3620 all motor and only made 749 hp on the engine dyno .. 9.70s@139.79 .. That must be one of them funny import dynos showing 750+ hp..

I don't want to bash the honda guy, a honda that can run 10.30s is great ... But get real with the HP numbers please..:)

Here is a joke for you ... What the diff between a 1100 . 900 , 600 hp supra??? There is no diff they all run 13s :lol: It's just a joke so don't get your undies in a wad.... Lee...

qitstrn

08-27-2003, 03:50 PM

listen go to www.sfp.net that is southern florida performance you can see the car. this car runs proffesionaly so no dyno sheets i will thy to get one from him though. the problem with hondas in that class (streetcar full interior) is you have to use stock tranny they make axles strong enough but with that kind of power the tranny will grenade if you leave super hard. so bog a little and play catch up not a good situation. the car could run better times if it wouldnt break.the car has a gsr on boost and spray. the man that owns this shop is one of the best tuners(fuel maps) in the country for both import and domestics. the caliber of cars that leave his shop are comparable to viperguys

Chris

08-27-2003, 03:56 PM

I remember lee vs. a couple guys last year over by the tides - gorgeous car! Can't wait to see a new ride!

The real Roadrunner

08-27-2003, 05:02 PM

FYI on dynos , i have worked on a few dynos in my day ... and with a simple twist of a dail I can make a 307 chevy motor spit out 650 with a two barrel carb ... A dyno is a tool only!! Weight Vs MPH is a real dyno ....Track ETs and MPH don't lie...

Anyway a honda running 10.30s , someone has done a good job building a motor and tunning it .. And should be in high regard by all..

I last thing i would like to add to this tread .. I know mark, floyd and scott ...All for these guys have allways been fair , kind and helpfull ....A better bunch of guys would be hard to find... Anyone of them would and have taken there shirts off there backs to help other hot rodders...Mark works as an EMS and to do so you really have to care for people , it's a hard job that comes with little or no praise.. Mark puts his life on the line daily ....I hope i never need marks help in that way but if i do i will be happy to see him and so would you .. Lee..

MacedoMS

08-27-2003, 08:24 PM

Lee S. runs a BTR N2O/Propane Viper and the motor has been apart for a fact. He runs upgraded cylinder heads, roller rockers and a stock 708 camshaft. Actually, the first stage utilizes propane and the second stage utilizes race gas for enrichment.

limey

08-27-2003, 09:10 PM

Chris,

You ever met a guy called Josh down in your neck of the woods? Drives an Electron Blue 2002 Z06?

Just wondering.

Btw, are you going to be able to make it up here for the rain date TR event?

Fast240Z

08-27-2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by The real Roadrunner
.... I last thing i would like to add to this tread .. I know mark, floyd and scott ...All for these guys have allways been fair , kind and helpfull ....A better bunch of guys would be hard to find... Anyone of them would and have taken there shirts off there backs to help other hot rodders...Mark works as an EMS and to do so you really have to care for people , it's a hard job that comes with little or no praise.. Mark puts his life on the line daily ....I hope i never need marks help in that way but if i do i will be happy to see him and so would you .. Lee..

Thanks Lee! Check's in the mail.

Mark

Viper Guy

08-28-2003, 01:05 AM

Limey,

I will not be at the Event. We will be up in OHIO for a Big Dodge event. Ford man is working hard to show every one a great time. I here there will be a DVD of the event. I hope and I know m.
most would buy the DVD.

I know Josh, he has a fast car. I know what your getting at. That was when the viper had a diferint Motor and other odds and ends. His Z06 is sick fast. Not somthing some of us would want to play with. Nice guy to.

1BadLT1

08-28-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Viper Guy

I will not be at the Event. We will be up in OHIO for a Big Dodge event.

well that is no good. i was bringing a hand full of cash to take on you and some of the other south florida cars that i know are coming. from what i am hearing there will be some nasty shit at the show

limey

08-28-2003, 10:31 AM

What, you guys haven't had a rematch yet, damn.

Sorry to hear you're not going to make it for the event, but as you said, there will be plenty of vids going around, besides, all the fast cars are going to be sand bagging & hitting the brakes at the 1000 foot mark, so i'm not sure if we'll see just how "fast" they really are.

Btw, did anyone ever get a final & accurate distance of the "1/4" mile track