Sunriders or FSF

[Chin]

So yeah, both are on the same date (can't wait) these 2 months w/o autoX is killing me! I have had good luck at SR, but I heard that FSF is faster, which helps with turbo cars, which would you say go to? Also sunriders is ok withs ome drifting :D is FSF strict about loosing traction?

[OversteerS2K]

I'd advise FSF, however my advice isn't worth shit. They're o.k. with some CONTROLLED drifting. It will certainly be faster than the Miata pad.

[oilleak]

You can do both. SR on Saturday and FSF on Sunday.

[Muddy]

I would take FSF, you will get more runs on a better course. SR events are good for newbs and they run a relaxed, laid back event, but their courses suck.

[oilleak]

Originally posted by Muddy
SR events are good for newbs and they run a relaxed, laid back event, but their courses suck.

I really thought that would start a flame war. Since it didn't, I'll say that I've found Sunriders courses to be a lot of fun. Although they are not as fast as Sebring/Lakeland/FSF they do have a few things that the SCCA sites don't. namely the SPJC pad is almost clean enough to eat off of - virtually no marbles. Secondly, the courses include elements such as sweepers and decreasing radius corners that I haven't seen (so far) in the up and back nature of FSF/Lakeland/Sebring which lends itself more to sloloms and offset gates. I think it's helpful to see some of those other elements.

[mofugga]

the sunriders surface is superslick once it gets some heat in it, it's recently had the blacktop resealed. if you like slow (hardly ever leave 1st gear) & tight courses go to the sunriders, if you like faster (mostly 2nd gear) and longer courses go to the FSF events! it is fun to beat the miatas tho:D

[Muddy]

Originally posted by oilleak
I really thought that would start a flame war. Since it didn't, I'll say that I've found Sunriders courses to be a lot of fun. Although they are not as fast as Sebring/Lakeland/FSF they do have a few things that the SCCA sites don't. namely the SPJC pad is almost clean enough to eat off of - virtually no marbles. Secondly, the courses include elements such as sweepers and decreasing radius corners that I haven't seen (so far) in the up and back nature of FSF/Lakeland/Sebring which lends itself more to sloloms and offset gates. I think it's helpful to see some of those other elements.
Good points, however their philosophy is to make the course as long (time-wise) as possible. This is great if you enjoy 60 seconds of plowing through slow, tight sweepers and hairpin turns. I think it is possible to make a GREAT 35-40 second course there, but I doubt they will ever even consider the idea, just as you will never get a short course at Ft Myers either. I have enjoyed the SR events in the past, but I have had enough of their course design.

[fastforward]

I would love to see a local, big (long run time) , fast course that encorporates many of the sunriders elements listed above. I agree the SR courses are too slow and technical sometimes, and the FSF courses usually seem to just gates with slolams (both understandable due to space)
Bottom line: I do have more fun at the FSF events as far driving is concerned, but I enjoy the atmosphere of the SR events more.

[Loren]

Believe it or not, I would probably recommend FSF over SPCC if you had to choose between events on the same date. The SPCC site is very limited in what can safely be done there. It's damned difficult to design a SAFE course that uses a lot of 2nd gear. That's just the way it is, there isn't much runoff room available.

I'm not going to get into an argument about course design, but I will say that not all of our courses are the same. We've had a variety of course designers trying different things this season. If you've only been to one SunRiders event this season (is that about right, Muddy?), you can't really form an opinion on what our courses have been like this season.

We've had an awful lot of fun. That's what it's all about.

[Muddy]

So true Loren, I gave up on SR. :dunno: SR events are perfect for someone who is not serious about autox and is just looking to have a good time zooming around in their miata. :D
My next race car, an 88 supra turbo, will have no chance of negotiating the tight courses ya'll have, but I will have fun picking on the porsches at Zephyrhills. :D

[oilleak]

I guess that's a good point too. High HP Turbo cars don't seem to deal well with what we put together at SR. My very first auto-x was a sunriders event and I beat a 930 turbo by a tenth in my little old datsun - and that was before I did anything to it! It's probably a safe bet that the 930 would have edged me had we both been at Sebring.

[PseudoRealityX]

Brian,

I don't recall, but have you been to either Gainesville or Ft. Myers?

I think Brian and myself have become used to a certain "type" of course. These of course come in many different styles, but they do have a general flavor that we like and have become accustomed to.

While a SR event is still a lot of fun, given the choice, I'm going to goto the event where I can "hone" my driving skills in preperation for some of the bigger events that I attend.

BTW, that 930 you beat up on at your first SR event....well, that's proably the WORST car ever made for a SR event. I've the car in question, and let me tell ya....the 4 speed geared out to like 230 mph just doesn't work;) In comparison, I doubt the 930 would have gone to 3rd gear at the Sebring event, and just for reference...my MR2 went to 4th twice.:)

[0HP930]

LOL, just wait till you all have to deal with that 930 again when it has some practical gearing and some extra pre and post boost torque. Since they have about 130K miles on them its also about time to replace the shocks, struts and suspension bushings too.

:evil2:

[Muddy]

Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
I think Brian and myself have become used to a certain "type" of course. These of course come in many different styles, but they do have a general flavor that we like and have become accustomed to.
haha. That and the poopra has the turning radius of a bus! It would be very difficult to negotiate a SR course in it. :lol:

[oilleak]

No, I haven't done either sebring or Gainesville. I'll probably head down to ft. myers before either of those come up again.
By the way, FSF was very fast today. I was into 3rd gear in part of it. Haven't ever needed 3rd before. Neil had FTD at 35.045 or so and my best was 38.908
As for the 930... My datsun's not bone stock anymore so we'll see what the timer says next time you bring it out:) Hope that's not too far away.

[marksaccord95]

see yall at FSF tomorrow! ill be out in the WRX

[Durdan]

thanks for keeping this thread mature. i really do appreciate it

as far as the choice. i really prefer SR for drifting bc its slow speed tight turns.

FSF is ok, but a little too gravelly (sp?) in places.. but i can still wing it sideways there. neal and i talked about driifting an he said as long as i dont hit too many cones. to his enjoyment, i nailed none. hahaha. that takes practice.. LOTS of it..

i prefer them both and attending both of them supports your local enthusiasts and what they are doing for us. thank you both groups and workers.

i cant wait for my car to be done and im back out on the tarmac tearing it up!


BTW gainesville is a nice course to combo.

[Chin]

Taylor your on driving on the wrong side in that pic! lol

[marksaccord95]

that wasnt when it was RHD