Attention

[340 Dak]

If any of you guys need to contact me about anything, including stock89lx about the manifolds and pipes, find me on AIM: jadedfonz or email: jadedfonz@yahoo.com

Its been fun. Bye y'all




p.s. Please dont delete this Aharon

[Scott]

So you are leaving ?

Why ?

[CrazyMoparGirl]

Same reason I'm finally gone. Sick of the BS

[Billy]

Well, I'm sorry that you feel that you need to leave the site because of the changes that are being set in place. The entire site and staff are being looked at closely and ways to make TR better for everyone are going to be implemented.

Don't be mad that we are going to reenter the Dodge Tech Forum into the mix with the rest of TR. That is how it should have always been, but it hasn't been like that here. It is all our faults for not recognizing it sooner and putting things back on course, but now that we have taken notice it will get fixed.

Don't use this as an excuse to finally leave the board. You have stated on other occasions that you were leaving and didn't. You simply retreated back to this Forum and turned it into a chat room filled with your anti-TR postings. We should have never let this happen but we do know about it now and will be keeping a much closer eye on things.

So, if you really feel that you want to leave the site and that you have nothing to offer us and vice versa...please, say the word; we can help.

Consider this a warning, I'll PM you the official one as well if you would like.

[340 Dak]

Originally posted by Billy
So, if you really feel that you want to leave the site and that you have nothing to offer us and vice versa...please, say the word; we can help.

actually, i believe you were the ones telling us we had nothing to offer the site.

[CrazyMoparGirl]

Dude I have not Flamed anyone or harassed anyone. I stated a fact that you have twisted. If you think my leaving has to do with you all changing the site you are greatly mistaken. Have a nice night.

[Scott]

Come on guys in all fairness you have used this forum to publically communicate, just look at some of the threads with 50 + replies. Granted someone else on TR should have asked this to stop long ago but none the less the tech forums are not intended to be used this way.

Hopefully after your inital anger dies down you will come back and add to the forum. You obviously know Mopars well just use your knowledge to help others.

[340 Dak]

Id like to think that I offered a lot of knowledge about Mopars to this board. However, the admins told me otherwise.. should I quote the PM? They also "kicked me out of office" because the same things that go on in FFA and GCC went on in here.

There has been other mods on this board in the past who VERY poorly represented TR. When they were brought into question, i guess they just had a talking to, realized the problem, and they straighted right up. Had I known that the doings in this room really were a problem, I would have made a change. But instead I just get a PM saying "thanks, but c-ya". I wrote back to the mod who notified me of all this, but I have yet to hear back from him. How mature is that? Throw the first punch, then run and hide.

This board has insulted my knowledge of cars, and came down on me for the same things that go on everywhere else. That is the reason for me not wanting to stick around.

[John]

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[Clint]

Originally posted by Vapor


Let's say you worked for a company. You didn't really like the company, and used a room in the company for you and another employee or two to vent about how much the rest of the employees and customers sucked. Now, if your manager happened to hear this, and had records of this going on for months on end, do you think he would want to keep someone with such a negative attitude on? Would this employee really be working hard to make sure the company made money and stayed in business? The logical answer is no, the employee either hates the company or cannot handle the pressure of the job. Either way, as an employer, I'd dismiss you.

I think I really see things from both perspectives here, although I'm sure I dont know all the details or even half, but regardless, heres my take on the situation as a non biased member of TR with good intentions towards all involved...

Jeff does not get paid to help out TR, he has been volunteering. When people do work for you for free, you dont care what they say, because you are getting free work out of them, any businessman will tell you that.

I think that the reason that this forum was used in the way it was is simply because of a lack of people looking for information that they cant (or dont want to) find on their own.

C'mon, lets make this a little easier to relate to.

John lets say you and Taylor, (as an example because you work together and both have a vast knowledge of the cars you work on) went to a conference where u are to discuss... I dont know, Hondas.. so you two go to this conference together, and you are the only two there, aside from one person stopping in every once in a while... you know eventually you are just gonna be talking about whatever, throwing paper airplanes at each other, and drinking all the free champaigne... And thats just whats happening here, you all fail to realize that Mopar people, especially ones that have been at it a while and have more than a few cars, know their shit, and have no real questions left to ask. Have you ever been to a Mopar meet? all it is is people bullshitting the day/night away.

On the other hand, Jeff, the powers that be here at TR asked you to volunteer your time and moderate, and you did so willingly, so if they want someone else to moderate it, thats their business, however, if they did in fact tell you to leave and that you have nothing to add, I think that is wrong.

Originally posted by Vapor

I might be biased though, b/c I have invested MANY hours and hundreds of dollars of my own money into this site. What have YOU done for TR?

Some people will say that time = money, but when you are handing out your own money for something like TR, thats tough.. and I commend John and everyone else that has put in money towards TR, but yea, I think its making you biased.

I know that TR isnt a democracy, where anyone can do whatever they want, but it should be more democratic. If Jeff/Lori even WANT to stay here, I think we (the dodge forum) will be better for it, if not, Happy trails, I'm sure I'll see you around the other mopar forums... (MoparChat ID: clintz)

[340 Dak]

John, I know EXACTLY what you are saying. But let me bring up a few points in my defence.

First, Clint is right in the fact that no one came into this room. It didnt have anything close to the number of people that Honda, Ford, or even the up and comming Nissan room has. And yes, we would just sit and BS in here, not ONLY about our opinions of TR if you read that deep into the threads. Not being rude, but if you also noticed, when a tech question WAS asked in here, we all answered it completely and then when our "job" was done we went back to BSing. Being that there was no traffic in the room besides the 3 of us that frequent the room, we figured there was no harm no foul. Had we been doing this in FFA where EVERYONE reads it, oh yeah that would be asking for it. As I said before, if it was brought to my attention before about how it WAS being noticed by everyone.. it would have stopped.

Second, although it may not matter much to you, most of those threads and discussions were BEFORE I was made a mod. Not that it makes the situation any more right, but its not like the day I became a mod i went around slandering the place.

Third and probably most important.. We were not bashing the site itself, or any of the people who make up the foundation of the site. John, you KNOW I have nothing against you, or any of the other admin/mods i have met. Fordman especially b/c of his track days. The people and the problems that we had and talked about were the exact same people that all the mods talk about in the mod room. They are the percent of people on here that are complete dumbasses and annoy the fuck out of us and piss us off. Dont even try to tell me that you love every single member on this board. And I know what you're going to say -- that you DONT like everyone, but that doesnt mean you'll go and talk shit about them on the same board. Well again, I was in the wrong to do that.. BUT, all people do in FFA and GCC is rip on other people because of their opinions or choices. Thats just part of society.. everyone wont get along with everyone no matter what. And as an ex-mod, i know that the higher powers of this board really wouldnt mind blowing away half the members on here... isnt that what TOTD is??

And No, TR isnt the backbone of my life. It hasnt really given me TOO much, so in return I dont feel like I owe it 30% of my efforts and dedication to things as you, aharon, or whoever else may. I know its a valuable part of your business so you must do everything you can to promote it. I know, "its what you make of it" too, but there's not too much I can make of it. All of the social gatherings I cant make b/c i work nights and weekends. Of the 3 people who frequent this room, i am the only one who lives here so having our own gatherings doesnt work. I dont really come here to have people teach me about my car because if i do need to know something, i have FSMs to read thru, other BBSs to search, and an abundance of other web pages with the info. I will tend to go do those things before I post a question on here then wait for a day for someone to answer it.

I have met you more than a few times John, and you should know im not the kind of person who is just out to get everyone.. or someone who is full of hate, or someone who could give a fuck and just walks over whoever is in the way. This is probably the impression people have of me who dont know who i really am, but so be it. Its a damn internet board.

We'd much rather have somebody who would be interested in improving those areas if they actually needed it, instead of just sitting here post whoring wasting entire days just bitching.

If thats the only thing you see was going on in here, well thats your opinion. Apparently all the other mods and admins feel the same way and again thats why I chose to not post here. Would YOU hang out at a place where the officials think you're a joke and have nothing good to offer the place? Nope. Thats why I packed my bags and left. I'll go to another place and talk about cars if this is how im looked upon here. As for whoring, do you think I really cared that much about my post count? If I did, would I have made a new name (this one) when I wanted a different one.. instead of having you change it like everyone else? You can zero out this name AND FearThe4Doors for all I care.

[John]

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[Clint]

Originally posted by Vapor
why the fuck are you here?

:nono:

can we try to keep this a civilized conversation as it has been thus far?

edit: U made some changes that made it more clear on your attitude, I think the way it was before was coming across more harshly than intended, or not... i dunno... just wanted to make that clear...

[John]

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[Clint]

oh, and this is why I am already almost done trying to improve it:

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102019

[Grunge]

I guess this topic is open for comments otherwise it would have been a pm. I happened acrosss TR by accident and lurked for quite a while before even signing up. Since I have a Dodge, I came to the Dodge section to see what was going on. My first impression was that it was pretty stagnant for information. I'm not blaming the past moderator for lack of traffic or lack of information. I came looking for SRT 4 info, and there were no SRT 4 owners on the Dodge forum, hence no SRT 4 info. the moderator couldn't do anything about that. There are usually informational website forums setup specifically for a make and model of car. I came over from SRTforums. Most people looking for information aren't going to come here first. Since I have an SRT 4, I want to go where there are other SRT 4 owners. That's where the info is. Yes, there are a few local owners on TR, but most people will look elsewhere before coming here. I've been a moderator on a couple of forums and I know what it's like when there is no traffic. You want to help, but no one is in need of help. After a while it gets frustrating. I can see how the original concept for the Dodge forum went off track. I'll try and frequent this section more in the future.

[Clint]

Thats cool Grunge, and please, tell all your friends about the site, and how we are "cool" and "fun" and "in the area"!! :D

[mpbiv]

We have talked tech in here, and sometimes its hard to find because not all of the threads stick to strictly tech topics. IMHO its hard to talk tech when there is no one asking questions, and quite honestly TR is not the first place I look for my answers simply because I know where or how I can easily find them besides through TR. However if someone does post a tech question here or there is a tech conversation going on then I am usually participating in it.

I mostly posted here because I could talk a mixture of tech and BS with Lori and Jeff, and I will probably still continue to post here just because I check this board out of habit.

As for the SRT4 owners who are now "out of hiding", no one was trying to stop you guys from posting in here. In fact I am sure most of the members in question would have liked it had you guys posted in here. Personally, I just thought you guys were more interested in posting war stories than tech, guess I was wrong.

[Billy]

Originally posted by mpbiv

...no one was trying to stop you guys from posting in here. That is one of the problems we are wanting to address with all our Tech forums and all our Moderator positions. While noone was stopping people from posting noone was encouraging it either.

Our new focus is for Moderators who will not only answer questions when they get asked but also post useful bit of tech knowledge as it come out and also drum up new users for their respective forums. Changes were being planned long before any action was taken, it just so happens that the Dodge Tech Forum was the first one to see them.

[cali]

I have been a TR member for quite some time now. This is my second Dodge , and in the middle I had a honda.
The Honda tech section is flowing, the honda for sale is flowing, the honda want to buy is flowing, but let me get back to my point.

There is old school dodge ,and new school dodge. Two different types of vehicles, but mechanics is mechanics and electronics( reference to the SRT PCM) can never change that.

This is definitely not the most useful area for SRT-4 tech tips, but that can change. It doesn't have to be bottom of the list. For my self personally, most of the folks I have seen in here are old skool dodge ( prob before I was a sperm in a nutsack :lol: )

I've let a few of the local boys know to stop by here once in a while. Theres quite a handful of us, and I have met majoriy of the Tampa Skilttle crew .

It would be nice to get a blend of old skool and new school. You older guys/gals have much to offer, and its really pathetic to see some reactions over change.

Its a tech forum....sure things will stray, but some topics just do not belong.:?

So now lets stop bitching, and figure how I can get my skittle to rape scubaru's all day long ;)

[mpbiv]

<---------Old School

Your skittle would be easier to make faster is it was more old school-ish. The turbofold and returnless fuel system aren't much help, and its all run by a computer which only Mopar has the codes to....

Wonder if the mexican spec 2.4 exhaust manifold bolts up to the newer 2.4 heads......

[cali]

We had a mexican r/t guy confirm that the ports are slightly different.
If I had to guess I'd say the SRT's smaller since you want smaller passages before the wheel, and free flow after..

[mpbiv]

It could still be beneficial if the manifold will bolt up and the head can be port matched to it. Having a better choice for turbochargers would probably outweigh any advantage the smaller port cross section creates.

Then again I am sure it is just a matter of time before someone is making better manifolds.....

[Billy]

Originally posted by cali

So now lets stop bitching, and figure how I can get my skittle to rape scubaru's all day long ;) And whos' would you be talking about there? ;)

[Clint]

gee i wonder? :rolleyes: :lol:

[CrazyMoparGirl]

Originally posted by cali
I have been a TR member for quite some time now. This is my second Dodge , and in the middle I had a honda.
The Honda tech section is flowing, the honda for sale is flowing, the honda want to buy is flowing, but let me get back to my point.

There is old school dodge ,and new school dodge. Two different types of vehicles, but mechanics is mechanics and electronics( reference to the SRT PCM) can never change that.

It would be nice to get a blend of old skool and new school. You older guys/gals have much to offer, and its really pathetic to see some reactions over change.





The last few weeks leave ALOT to be desired for me. True I am more towards the old school since Chrysler hasn't built a car/truck in a long time for me to really get excited about. I am not a fan of FWD, just a personal preference. However, I have built both so I do understand the attraction to both. Aside from that. My reactions to the change have alot more to do with me changing. I have moved on to another phase of my life. I have also realized alot more about people I thought were my friends. And I have made the personal decision to go back to being a recluse. Don't take my actions as an insult towards TR or it's member base. And yes The 101 reasons thread, had you taken the time to read each post, you would have realized it was towards the attitude of certain people. As Jeff previously stated.